Hello, I've always loved mastiff-type dogs, but recently I heard about this breed called the Blue Paul Terrier, which is now extinct unfortunately. Here are the MD and Wikipedia articles:
They seem to have been bred with Staffies at some point, and may also have been forebears of American Pit Bulls and American Staffies, all of which can have the 'blue' coloring of the Blue Paul. Anyway there was a breeding program to recreate the Old English Bulldog, crossing Bulldogs, Bullmastiffs, American Bulldogs etc, I wondered if something similar could be done for the Blue Paul? There are breeders who specialise in the blue American Staffordshires and Pitbulls, but they are not interested, or at least didn't respond to my emails. The breed wouldn't take much to become established, and I would guess it would be a popular breed if it was healthy and good natured, which is extremely likely given the good temperament of Staffies, American staffies and even pitbulls if trained right. I would imagine crosses between blue Staffordshire Bull Terriers, blue American Staffordshire Bull Terriers, blue pitbulls and perhaps the Thai Ridgeback which has been suggested as a forebear of the breed would create the breed standard. Pitbulls are (stupidly) outlawed in the UK so if they were to be marketed here they couldn't have pitbull ancestry. The size at around 45lb seems to have been bigger than modern day staffies, smaller than pitbulls, the size of smaller Americans staffies.
Blue Paul Terrier:
Also does anyone else think it would be cool to create a new breed from black Pharaoh Hounds (possibly mixed with Doberman Pinschers) to create a breed called Anubis, after the Egyptian Jackal God?
The breed wouldn't take much to become established, and I would guess it would be a popular breed if it was healthy and good natured, which is extremely likely given the good temperament of Staffies, American staffies and even pitbulls if trained right.
Recreating the Blue Paul would be quite a challenge for you but could also be a very rewarding experience. However, you have to do it just right and document everything. To do something like this requires some knowledge of genetics (or partnership with some who knows genetics) to be able to understand the results of certain crosses. There are several articles and a big forum post on here about coat color genetics which may help you understand the coloring gene. So if you are serious about doing this and doing it right you can't just throw the dogs in the yard and wait for pups. It must be planned, researched, and documented. If you have a well thought out and documented plan you may have better luck finding stock. Also, consider importing your foundation dogs as many US breeders are totally opposed to anyone crossing "their" dogs.
- Make a plan and clearly document what you are trying to achieve
- Designate your foundation stock and source them from supportive breeders - establish baseline genetics
- Plan your breeding
- Test for structure, temperament, color and drive
- Check you plan - did you achieve what you want?
- Document and evaluate results
- Find a good time to introduce new stock to the gene pool and fine tune your desired results.
- Document, document, document, test, test, test, but always - maintain a disciplined approach.
Thanks for your reply. That's a very good point, good documentation on the breeds history would help a lot in establishing a new breed and being recognised by the kennel clubs. Unfortunately right now I don't have the funds to do this, but hopefully some day I might.
How are your plans for the Blue Paul coming along?
theres another breed of dog, that is strong and athletic like a pitbull, its also blue. Called blue something, I can seem to recall it right now, im sure someone on here knows what Im talking about though.
ahhh the Blue Lacy!
long as im talking about athletic blue dogs, the thai ridge back is one as well.
You nailed it. The Blue Lacy is also a fantastic working dog developed about 60 miles from where we now live. The Thai Ridgeback is also a phenomenal worker. Two good ones there.