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The Molosser category covers a wide spectrum of breeds, regardless of their type and use. Whether the breed is a mountain shepherd dog, a sled-pulling spitz, a hunting dog, a fighting and baiting dog, or even a toy companion breed, if it is descended from the ancient Moloss stock of dogs, you will find it here. They are divided into three groups.
Group 1 - The first group of molosser which are bred true to type.
Group 2 - Molossers that are not bred true to mountain type.
Group 3 - These breeds are either directly linked to the 1st and 2nd Molosser Group, but bred away from common type.

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gary commented on a blog post

Here is this from the UKC standard which is closer to original. Note the limits on weight.

 

The American Pit Bull Terrier must be both powerful and agile; overall balance and the correct proportion of weight to height, therefore, is far more important than the dog’s actual weight and/or height.

Desirable weight for a mature male in good condition is between 35 and 60 pounds. Desirable weight for a mature female in good condition is between 30 and 50 pounds.

As a general and approximate guideline only, the desirable height range for mature males is from 18 to 21 inches at the withers; for mature females it is from 17 to 20 inches at the withers.

It is important to note that dogs over or under these weight and height ranges are not to be penalized unless they are disproportionately massive or rangy.

Very Serious Fault: Excessively large or overly massive dogs and dogs with a height and/or weight so far from what is desired as to compromise health, structure, movement and physical ability.


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gary commented on a blog post

In order to know the limits of the size of the APBT you would have to go back to the original practice of the Pit. Competitor would inspect the opponents dogs by picking them up and checking them. So the weight of the dogs were restricted to a narrow range.  Even in the ADBA standard I think the upper limit of 75 pounds is too much.

I will post something else on this later when I have a chance to refer to my old books and articles.


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CDS commented on a blog post

Hulk? Imposible...

The APBT isn't a dog of conformation's standar, but if you like see a standar, the best is ADBA, the first association pure breed of APBT, after UKC. But UKC cross the way from dogs show.

The most important in the APBT is caracter, stamina, brave, and resistence. Hulk is a dog so weigth, 80kg. This dog doesn't run long distances and finish like the first time. 

STANDAR.

In Hulk we can look ddb's blood, neapolitan's blood and bully's blood. Obiusly it doesn't correct with the ADBA standar.

Examples like Chinaman, Mayday, little gator, red boy, etc... it is other thing that Hulk.

I can't write that i wanna write, because i don't know express.

Un saludo


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eliteguardianpresa commented on a blog post

As far as strict interpretation of the breed standard, I think that is impossible. Interpretation is left up to human interpretations. We all see things differently. The standard is the same. What one judge sees as a plus another judge misinterprets it. The reality is it is a fault. Just like pointed out the kicked tail on the Pug is a fault. The ridged back on the ridge back is a fault.

I think the standards should be fixed. I think the judge should know them if they are judging them. But I know every judge is supposed to have in their mind the perfect example of what the standard should look like and judge the dogs based upon that imaginary image. i know that each judge will have a different image. I also know that judge will choose a dog over another dog and they are only supposed to pick the dog that closely matches their imaginary image of the breed standard.


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eliteguardianpresa commented on a blog post

I understand what you are saying. However, I can't completely agree. I can't say that any one judge holds that much influence. I could be wrong. But I;m unaware of any that does.

 

My personal opinion is that many backyard breeders are the detriment to any and all breeds. Not all of them but many of them. Sure some start out with good intentions. But they don't have a clue in what they are doing.

Example:

I know a guy that has presas. He asked about breeding with one of my dogs. He wants me to breed for a pup back or something really cheap. He buys dogs, breed them and sells them. I hear he is selling them for $400-$500 a dog. He has never done a health screening. He doesn't know anything about the breed standards or if any of his dogs meet the standards. He does know his dogs will bite. he trains them from a puppy to bite. But they don't have any good obedience on them either. Some have unstable temperaments. His dogs have been known to get out and bite a neighbor.

Of course there are others that have turned away too that I will not breed with or dogs that I will not breed. Sometimes its the person I deny. Other times it is the dogs that I deny. Just like I turn away potential owners/buyers.

Of course the other thing backyard breeders are doing is crossing the dogs with other breeds and hanging papers trying to "improve" the breed instead of maintaining the standard set for the breed. The have an ideal of what they want the breed to be other than what the breed is supposed to be. If you are creating a band dog just call it that. Don't call it a purebred.

 


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eliteguardianpresa commented on a blog post

So are we saying that dogs like Hulk are not pure bred APBT?  LOL

https://youtu.be/mwm0OwqWvF4


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guard_dog commented on a blog post

I think in some cases such as in the first example that the original english white terrier can be somewhat "revived" from extinction in some form. I think when the English brought their english white terrier dogs to Pakistan it has somewhat still remained in function while crossing their dogs with it and coming with the closely type and functional gull terr. This dog is still an avid hunter in Pakistan. I think it would be even further close to the original English white terrier if it was bred with America's EBT maybe.

 


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CDS commented on a blog post

Cross with amstaff, sbt, bt, presas, bulldogs, bullys, dogs with colours like «blue» for sale more exclusive, etc... Maybe this dog are good, but it isn't pure breed. 5° generations of Swinford's Bandog be APBT more big, but it isn't APBT pure breed.

In Almería, Spain, for example i haven't seen more of 10 apbt in the last 5 years, but i saw 500 called «apbt».


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