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Is this a Tibetan Mastiff
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG4iAaKcGak&feature=related I'm confused as I know there is susposed to be no such thing as a white TM. So am hoping someone here has an answer. Thank you Scarlette
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Yes it is... Ive seen them before its a morph from the tan gene. There are some breeders breeding specificaly for this... There are som that look like Kuvaz dogs... But others that look like all TM. Lane
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Ok Lane now you.ve aroused my curiosity. TM's are one of the breeds I am considering for myself. However the last thing I want is a dog that doesn't look like a TM What do you think is in the future for the snow Tibetan Mastiff. I was unable to find a very small amount of info on them. I gather that many TM people think these white TMs are a mixed breed probably coming from a cross with the Great Pyrnee dog. I would like to be able to learn more. Any web sites or books I should be looking for? Also any historical evidence that indicates that their have alway been whites? Thank you Lane Brightest Blessings Scarlette
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As you learn more about the TM you';ll find Tebietian exportss had a lot of oother blood infused by European breeders. The White LGDs, COs, Burners. I doupt the white dogs occured in Tibet. The Black & Tan gene doesn't tend to throw white. What realling interesting is the vintage pics circa 1900 in Tibet wewre these dogs look familar to SARs. BTW - I really like the Liion type look and wound not mind owning one some day.
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I really love the TM... I have often thought of aquiring one when the right time came... If I were searching for a pup I would disregard the "Snow" dogs alltogether. Stick with whats good and whats good, are the more traditional color patterns. I really love the red dogs. anytme the designer colors start popping up i get a bit wary.... One drawback to keep in mind these dogs are like beavers when it comes to furniture or anything wooden! 8O Check out some of these dogs..... http://www.segkhri.hu/ http://www.tibetanmastiff.com/main_files/main.htm
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Lane - I really like Drayki TMs.. I do believe you can see the influence of other breeds as you look at the head pieces on his dogs. I think these western re-creation/interpretations might be better for those of us that live in the civilized world.
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They definately are! The Eastern dogs can be unfathomably aggressive and very destructive, I have found that the western dogs are much less independant, and more oriented toward respaonding to commands.
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Me I am still in the middle of the process of deciding which of the LGD is the breed for me. Very interesting what you have pointed out here about The character of the Eastern versus WesternTM's. Temperament is HUGE for me. That Drakhyi male they had at Westminster was absolutely marvelous, he is one of the reason I like TM's just from watching him. Now with that said I have done a fair amount of reading the Internet and I do like the BIG TM's and I think my preference is to the lion type look.. Maybe I am wrong but seems like the Western TM's I am seeing are smaller than those from China? Platz do you know where I can see these old pictures you were talking about. I'd sure love to get a look at them , The Sar is another breed that I find attractive. The Seghri link isn't working :cry: Scarlette [quote=boomslang]I really love the TM... I have often thought of aquiring one when the right time came... If I were searching for a pup I would disregard the "Snow" dogs alltogether. Stick with whats good and whats good, are the more traditional color patterns. I really love the red dogs. anytme the designer colors start popping up i get a bit wary.... One drawback to keep in mind these dogs are like beavers when it comes to furniture or anything wooden! 8O Check out some of these dogs..... http://www.segkhri.hu/ http://www.tibetanmastiff.com/main_files/main.htm[/quote]
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Paste that link in your browser Scarlette dont click it.... The Western bred Do-Khyi TM is larger than the eastern dogs... The western dogs are much more suited to urban life, as the eastern dogs can be unbeleivably fierce, and ridiculously stubborn.
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I know that the Do Khyi is susposed to resemble a lion, but what I don't understand is A what is the difference between the two. I have looked at some kennels who say they are trying to breed for the true Tsang Khyi, but many of their dogs are very lion like. B Next question are the TM and Tsang Khyi and Do Kyhi their own breeds? or should they be? that link is still not working for me Scarlette
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Hi Scarlette There are some great breeders in the States(if that is where you are from). A great site to get info on TM's is www.tibetanmastiffinfo.com/index.shtml For breeder I recommend Citadel www.tibetanmastiff.net/ CFAR www.cfar.us/ StormnAngels(Canada)www.tibetanmastiffbreeder.com/ Dunebridge www.dunebridge.com/ I hope this helps you. As for temperament. A TM is A TM. Yes some lines have harder temps than others. My boy is very sweet and easy going, but when it comes down to the wire he is a TM. My girl is a lot edgier than him. Males are usually easier than the females.
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[quote=Scarlette] Platz do you know where I can see these old pictures you were talking about. I'd sure love to get a look at them , [/quote] Read through the TM forum, I posted them on at least one thread. I'm sorry I don't remember which one.
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The lion look is pretty standard all the way around with Tibetans.. Although I will say some lines, are very small and look like Golden retrievers 8O google "tibetan mastiff kennel" and the site should appear in the top 5 results. They have some amazing dogs.
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I talked with Kathleen at Citadel when her "F" litter wason the ground. I had hope to meet her and see her dogs at that time as she is about 1 1/2 hrs from my house but, she was "Just too busy". I had really like the male puppy, Wonka from that litter. However, now that he has grown he does not have trhe look I'd want to own. He looks more CO than TM . This is not ment to be negitive about her breeding it's just my ideal of what I want if I got a TM.
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[quote=boomslang]They definately are! The Eastern dogs can be unfathomably aggressive and very destructive, I have found that the western dogs are much less independant, and more oriented toward respaonding to commands.[/quote] it is not so.. for example, my dog is very obedient! and he'll respond very quickly and he is highly intelligent! he is from authentic eastern lines! at the same time, he is filled with energy, he is very rambunctious and chews a lot!! he is quite stubborn in that regard.. but still, he can make good urban companion.. i have never found him to be uncontrolable.. but he is a lil bit more of a challenge than my previous dogs thats all.. provided that the owner is correct and competent, he can live in urban places (i live in urban city!) but by nature, their protective instincts are very sharp.. owner should channelize them! otherwise, it could become a problem.. my puppy guard backyard (only backyard) now itself! if someone comes from the front door, he'll gladly greet them!
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[quote=Scarlette]I know that the Do Khyi is susposed to resemble a lion, but what I don't understand is A what is the difference between the two. I have looked at some kennels who say they are trying to breed for the true Tsang Khyi, but many of their dogs are very lion like. B Next question are the TM and Tsang Khyi and Do Kyhi their own breeds? or should they be? that link is still not working for me Scarlette[/quote]don't go by 'do-khyi' and 'tsang khyi' story! imo, it is nothing but a marketing trick! get some authentic dogs which doesn;t necessarily look like shepherd. breeding a dog selectively for mass,short legs, blood hound face,blood shot eyes is not good imho.. we have seen what has happened to great gladiators like neos.. so, i'd suggest you to stay away from people looking forward to breed so-called pure mastiff types with exaggerating features.. such dogs can't work well imo.. the built should be in such a shape and form as to enable the dog to work well! and i have seen spanish mastiff like so-called TMs lunging at the end of the chain in some chinese websites.. i absolutely have no doubt that even a pomeranian can bare teeth and bark when provoked. that doesn't prove anything. and about do khyi looking like lion, dear friend, working dogs look like working dogs. i have seen plenty of breeders in many breeds breeding their dogs to look like bears,lions,panthers and so on.. but i'm concerned about the dog breed cursed by such people really! i won;t always express my dissatisfaction..but it would be false if i say that i am impressed by such things. i think you guys can find good TM breeders in west too! just find a breeder who genuinely breeds dogs for their true type! i dunno about the temperament, but i liked a few dogs from europe and america! they looked very good! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4GzBatoTD4&feature=related this guy looks very good imo.. (he is from china!)
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[quote=boomslang]Paste that link in your browser Scarlette dont click it.... The Western bred Do-Khyi TM is larger than the eastern dogs... The western dogs are much more suited to urban life, as the eastern dogs can be unbeleivably fierce, and ridiculously stubborn.[/quote]it is not always so.. i admit that you find light and small types.. but at the same time, you can find large dogs too! at least my type is quite big! they stand around 28 - 32 on average.. below is my puppy's mother (9 months above.. more to go..) one of my favourite types! below are small types you spoke about.. i'd rather call them lighter types.. you can find even lighter dogs! just google them out! ! :wink:
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There isa no question in my mind that the true TMs kept in the TRADITIONAL Easten manner, are going to be more aggressive. A little reading on the history of this breed will bare this out. The Tibetan name, Do-khyi, means 'tied dog' ..ie. tide to frustrate and control. In protection bite work a basic, "Tool" is post work. Tie any breed of dog, select the dominate puppies to breed, do this for generations....and YES you will have a aggreesive manstopper. We in the west have watered down ALL breeds for trhe pet fancy, the TMs are no differant. I have little doupt that there are civilized versions of TM's in the east too.
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I have a co-owned boy who is from direct china imports. He LOVES people. Other dogs is another matter. He can be in with only certain dogs. There are quite a few chinese imports in europe now. Some are hard edged, other are not. As for western TMs being softer, this is not true. There are lines that still have harder temps.
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Lola there are two levels of tempermennt in all dogs" 1) The natural temperment that the dog is born with. 2) The Temperment that is "put-on" by the owner. I point was very general, in the west our dogs are pets 1st that may be called on to protect. In tradional use of the TMs they were Gaurds, not pets.
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Platz is agree with you on this. My point is that, 1st time TM owners who believe that western TM's have soft temperaments could be in for a big surprise. I have experienced it with my own two TM's. My boy is a lot softer generally than my girl. My male was my 1st. My girl is a lot harder edged. More than I might have expected, if I had not became friends with long time breeders in the breed and had been told what to expect. Add into to the fact also that what you see in the 1 and 2 year old is still not what they will be at 3-4 years old. I just want people who are thinking of a TM to be aware that temperaments do differ from line to line and that there are still hard edged TM's is the western dogs and have to keep this in mind.
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Lola - Yes, it is very important people undstand what they are buying when the get a dog. I like to see responcible owners liker you help protect thier breed. I also agree a "Civilized" western TM is more that most people can handle, and only a few should concider an import from traditional breedings.
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THank you Platz. People considering the Breed really need to be aware of this. If a newbie were to get the really hard edged tempered dog. it could be like walking around with a loaded gun. I have seen what my girl is really capable of when a stray dog tried to get into our yard when she was outside with my daughter. We had so much snow this year, that I lost 3 feet of fencing. THey went at it over the fence. My girl got a hold of his muzzle and would Not let go. Finally got it broken up. She is great off property, but I will always have in the back of my head what she is capable of.
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wow! that sounds scary! yesterday, incidentally my puppy also went outside the gate and started barking at stray dogs.. quickly i rushed and brought him back. (stray dogs know that he is my puppy.. so they won;t do anything..) @ platz if you talk about india, you can find both type of dogs.. i.e, dogs bred for guarding only and dogs with mellow temperaments, but still would make great guards should the need be.. for example, the dog above has a calm and friendly disposition.. she is a top show dog of the area! she has won multiple CCs.. we weren't barked at and snarled at when we had been to her.. she was a bit suspicious and got along as her owner greeted us too! see how relaxed she is when she was around us.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkIVPsoVlHU&NR=1 and look at the dog below! she won't spare anyone who visits or intrudes her premises.. she lost her eyes when she fought 2 other males who were trespassing her territory.. but she overpowered both of them and killed one! my puppy is her son! we had been to another grown up (1.5 yrs) son of her! he was also very protective and possessive! he was tied by a heavy chain and we stood outside the compound to see him! these dogs make formidable guard dogs! but poor show dogs.. they won't let touch their teeth and testicles n all..
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I have been doing some searching on the whites,still not sure how I feel about them, I have seen some I think are nicer than some of the TM 's in the accepted colors. I was told this color was not unusal in China, and Taiwan so I did more digging and found a kennel in China ( maybe Taiwan) name AO they have some whites that are good quality I would say. Now if the white is accepted in its native land why not here. I would think they would be the experts on what is a TM? I want to open up discussion on some big differences I have seen in the Eastern and Western TM's. First of all the TM's from China Taiwan almost have a much BIGGER Mane, which I like a lot, they also to me look bigger which I again I like a lot. I am getting mixed responses on the questionof sizes, some say their sizes are oversize and these BIG ones are dying much younger, Other says the TM have been downsized a lot. From what little I know of TM history this would seem logically. I mean the original TM was big enough to take down a Boar, and I am thinking that several of the TM's would just not have the size to do so Now back to the Manes and coats why do USA dogs not have as much mane also many of the Chinese TM almost look like they are long coated at least semi long coated whereas many in the US look like a short coat? One last question are their any books that give a good Historical account of this breed. I know of Ann Rohrer's book already. Thank You Scarlette
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[quote1237971899=Scarlette] I have been doing some searching on the whites,still not sure how I feel about them, I have seen some I think are nicer than some of the TM 's in the accepted colors. I was told this color was not unusal in China, and Taiwan so I did more digging and found a kennel in China ( maybe Taiwan) name AO they have some whites that are good quality I would say. Now if the white is accepted in its native land why not here. I would think they would be the experts on what is a TM? I want to open up discussion on some big differences I have seen in the Eastern and Western TM's. First of all the TM's from China Taiwan almost have a much BIGGER Mane, which I like a lot, they also to me look bigger which I again I like a lot. I am getting mixed responses on the questionof sizes, some say their sizes are oversize and these BIG ones are dying much younger, Other says the TM have been downsized a lot. From what little I know of TM history this would seem logically. I mean the original TM was big enough to take down a Boar, and I am thinking that several of the TM's would just not have the size to do so Now back to the Manes and coats why do USA dogs not have as much mane also many of the Chinese TM almost look like they are long coated at least semi long coated whereas many in the US look like a short coat? One last question are their any books that give a good Historical account of this breed. I know of Ann Rohrer's book already. Thank You Scarlette [/quote1237971899] hey! what made you think that TMs in china are bigger? they stand anywhere from 26 - 30 inches.. just like euro and american dogs.. some chinese people may breed them for flesh and loose skin.. and i am very suspicious of taiwanese lines.. ;)
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Yes I have some concerning things about the asian brreders and honestly what made think they were bigger is some of the photos I have seen. Some TM's I see have more mass then others, but perhaps they only appear bigger, because they have more coat:(( Bear with me everyone I am just learning, and I apologize if I have come across sounding like I know more than I do. Brightest Blessings Scarlette