Lee, you really don't know what you are talking about. At all. You have no experience with Shars, nothing more to say. If you weren't so annoying now, I'd actually explain it to you. I too worked GSDs, Mals, Rotts, APBT, Doberman etc. So f-ing what? NONE OF THAT TRANSLATES TO EASTERN LGDS! Capice? I know you don't get it, because you never made it out of Mississippi - that's the world you know. And I really don't know where you get the idea that I am a dog show person.