Mike, that was especially insightful! Thank you. I didn't realize how large the Sylvan is, either. The dog in your avatar is beautiful, but clearly very intense. I have to ask, though, how the Sar that once was became the Sar that is. If they're used for the original purpose why were changes made, and what changes were they? In another thread, images of the modern, "standard", Sar are compared with pictures of the original Tibetan Mastiff. For reasons apparently touchy and political people that issue went hush quickly. I'd like to know what happened...