• Meriam - The point, which I thought was clear was, none of us can ever take for granted how are dogs might or will react. We have to be proactive, not allowing our dogs to get in trouble in the 1st place. Someone with 30 years experience should know that & live by it. Your own comment, "you never trust them to be in you command in 100%, you have to consider every eventualities and have eyes on your neck. " Is exactly what I'm reffering to :wink: So we apperately do agree. :D Now going forward you know for a fact that you can not physically control that male dog when it goes into defence mode. So how are you going to deal with him in public now?