[blockquote]they are a bit stupid. mine used to see birds as threats and would quite happily bark at them all day long. [/blockquote] WOW! i sure would love to know what breed you got yours from.. coz i have never known a presa to be "Stupid" nor see birds as a threat and the need to bark at em all day long.. seen them kill birds, but not bark! the going after any animal big or small is a good sign of "Prey Drive"... So please tell who you got this supposed presa from.. P.s, i agree with MickWrath, that its an insult.. tho he says he is not knocking you.. i however, AM!