[quote1263033234=MickWrath] [quote1262998507=ant2010] to be fair i think although presas are lovely dogs, they are a bit stupid. mine used to see birds as threats and would quite happily bark at them all day long. [/quote1262998507] Ive never heard such a BS comment in all my life. Maybe your Presa is stupid, but for you to generalize about a whole breed based on an obviously poor selected dog is just spewing garbage. My Presa is as sharp as his teeth, and I have never owned a smarter breed. He learns faster than many Malinois...and that came from the mouth of someone who trains them for the Costa Rican Military. The basics below were taught all in one day and were retained thereafter. Maybe its just you who cannot teach, because I know the Presa will learn. [youtube=425,344]79jkbPvAjsw[/youtube] [/quote1263033234] heres a video from the elpresa, dont get me wrong presa canarios a nice looking dog but nothing beats a shepard dog for training.watch the video straight through http://www.vimeo.com/843833[link=hyperlink url][/link]