[quote="gsicard"]how about this one [/quote] I like the first dog very much! I do not mean to start anything as I know it is a very touchy subject, but the second dog although can be cute and be a "champion" is the kind of mastini I do not like! Too overdone and to me it is a bit cruel to subject an animal to live as a prisoner of its own body because of the self interest of certain individuals!! Once again, the first mastini in the thread is a great looking specimen IMO!! ALV