[quote=sextones] I don't see the trend of dogs being bred without regard to health stopping any time soon, in any breed for that matter. I just wonder how many years before it won't be uncommon to see dogs hovering around 300 pounds... [/quote] Im going to answer this by using the NFL as a reference. IN 1985, Willism the Referigerator Perry was a Defensive tackle for the Chicago bears. At that time he was a veritable giant, at 6'1" and 315lbs. NOW, only 20 years later, the NFL coaches are requiring their players to be UNDER 385 LBS!!! Most linemen in the nfl are at an average of 6'4 and 320 lbs, with some of the biggest amongst them being jonahton ogden, who stands in at a mere 6'9" tall and weighs in at 360lbs, Flozell adams, who went to the highschool that kicked me, who stands in at 6'8" tall and weighs in at 350lbs, and we cant forget about Linkin Kennedy, who isnt playing anymore, who was 6'7 and 405!!! In 20 years, people have in 1 sport, who were raised and trained for it have been pushed to THIS extreme in size, and thats WITHOUT controlling the breeding/parenting of these people. Imagine what we will create with animals that we DO control the breedings and parentings! Mike