[quote1280407848=tosamama] Straight stifles do run in Tosas, I've got a stud book from Japan, and lots of them in there. Also lots of east-west and cow hocks. From what I can understand, the higher angulation dogs are more meant for running. Dogs like Tosas, do more lateral movements in the ring, and are standing up a fair bit on their hind legs. I prefer moderate angulation. I've seen Tosas too who are way overangulated and movement gets clumsy and "weak/wobbly" looking. Lack of angulation can take away from good movement and can predispose dogs to weakness in tendons, patellar, etc. My own male has little angulation, but it does not take away from movement or strength in his case, and pretty well all his offspring has better angulation than he does anyway. first pic, over angulated. second pic, under. third pic, moderate. [br][link={e_FILE}public/1280359481_12297_FT75687_img_2363.jpg][img:width=500&height=283]{e_FILE}public/1280359481_12297_FT75687_img_2363_.jpg">[/link][br][br][link={e_FILE}public/1280359481_12297_FT75687_taro5yr2.jpg][img:width=500&height=409]{e_FILE}public/1280359481_12297_FT75687_taro5yr2_.jpg">[/link][br][br][link={e_FILE}public/1280359481_12297_FT75687_boss7mth1.jpg][img:width=500&height=497]{e_FILE}public/1280359481_12297_FT75687_boss7mth1_.jpg">[/link][br] [/quote1280407848] Thank you for sharing that information, those were some excellent examples. It is a very interesting topic, I think a dog with slightly more angulation has an advatange in a sport such as weight pulling.