[quote1327633680=tiger12490] PP is all very subjective your not gonna chop your dog to pieces to make him feel threatened.. its to make the dog think hes gonna die not actually killing it [/quote1327633680] Actually, you hardly ever make the dog think its gonna die. You almost always make it think it's gonna win. I think that is what Tonedog meant by "dicking around" or likened it to "tug of war" when it comes to PP trials. I have to agree with him that an actual test for true combat ability would rather be a real battle scenario (i.e. in a warzone), but that is just plain unrealistic these days. Since WWI dogs simply get shot, end of story. So people resort to PP to get high on what could happen should someone dare to attack them with a leather baton.