Isla, If you truly understood wolf and dog behavior and tried to glean points I am trying to make you wouldn't continue to spew your own BS, contradict yourself in your own posts and need to have Xamen and Crnosce try to point out to you what your true attributes are. So feel free to go ahead and continue to pontificate that your way and Cesar's way is the only way, but my experience and that of 1000s of others including many from this site is just totally opposite of that. I've seen enough trainers over the years that were spewing and practicing the EXACT crap that you are that were open to new ideas, have learned from others and are now quite successful trainers using motivational methods with limited compulsion in police, street protection, agility, SAR, explosives, narcotics, cadaver, Schutzhund, ring sport, obedience, and hunting to name a few. Do you think at one point in my history with dogs I wasn't doing and thinking the same as you? I hate to admit it but I was and I did. But I was fortunate to have learned from dog people who also did what you do, learned that there are better ways, and have moved on. Truthfully, I feel sorry for you, for your inability to think openly and maybe learn something, and for the dogs that you are needlessly abusing with your training methods.