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THIS DOG LOOKS LIKE AN ALANO! I LIKE THE LOOK!!
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    • This photo is from Manuel Curto's book on the Presa Canario. Its an interesting dog.It seems to show more of the Majorero influence. Especially in the coat. Where as some of the breed have more of a mastiff, bully influence. I wrote Valerie Curto about this dog. Since she handles the english correspondence. I haven't heard back. So I posted it here for feedback. Richard :)
      • There is something referred to as the "rustic" coat, which is higly regarded. It is slightly furrier, but not quite so notieceable as an adult that they should look furrier or long haired. AS a puppy, they would be the "fuzzy" ones, but as an adult they look normal in a picture. My male has this coat, but as you can see, it shuld not look longhaired like the Majorero.
        • Thank for the reply. You are as qualified as anyone, Since you have both breeds. I think this what makes the Presa unique. Having flockguard blood and mastiff, bully crosses. Makes it such a versatile breed. I like the large flat skull type. Since Iam alittle confused about the standard. Is this correct? Since there so many looks to these dogs. Thanks again! Richard :D
          • The dog should not have a domed head. You will see a little bit excused from time to time, but overly rounded head is not correct. The correct look is a smaller box or rectangle, in front of a larger box, the proportion being 60/40. The curto dog you pictured is OK in that area, but should have more mask (even in a brindle) and its eyes are too light.
            • Thanks again for your info. It an an interesting looking animal anyways. Its body is very cat like. All my best, Richard :D
              • THIS DOG LOOKS LIKE AN ALANO! I LIKE THE LOOK!!
                • [quote="Ragdog"]This photo is from Manuel Curto's book on the Presa Canario. Its an interesting dog.It seems to show more of the Majorero influence. Especially in the coat. Where as some of the breed have more of a mastiff, bully influence. I wrote Valerie Curto about this dog. Since she handles the english correspondence. I haven't heard back. So I posted it here for feedback. Richard :)[/quote] What's with the "bird of prey" yellow eyes?
                  • Interesting specimen. Could someone please define for me the use of the term "rustic" or "rusticity" when applied to dogs? Is it haircoat, body type, temperment, viability? What? Thank you
                    • [quote=PAINT2008]THIS DOG LOOKS LIKE AN ALANO! I LIKE THE LOOK!![/quote] Perharps that´s more the look that the alanos must show in the place of exagerated braquicephally,boxer- like apearance of many alanos of today
                      • [quote=sbates]Interesting specimen. Could someone please define for me the use of the term "rustic" or "rusticity" when applied to dogs? Is it haircoat, body type, temperment, viability? What? Thank you[/quote] Its a buzz word for lack of type and consistency.
                        • Pillowpants :wink: Unfortunately that's right these days. While it was originally intended in the presa breed to refer to the type of things they were trying to recover, it has evolved to "explain away" a lack of consistent type and breeding, or to snooker some people into thinking things that are totally wrong (such as blue dogs or mostly white dogs) are actually "extra special". This one is an example of a "rustic" color pattern. We tend to refer to this as a dirty fawn. It's not seen so much anymore as it didn't catch on in popularity so much, but it is a true color pattern existing widely about 10 years ago.
                          • This is an example of an INCORRECT "Rustic" coat, i.e. a recent majorero crossing.... from an Italian "breeder"
                            • [quote="Presadam"]Pillowpants :wink: Unfortunately that's right these days. While it was originally intended in the presa breed to refer to the type of things they were trying to recover, it has evolved to "explain away" a lack of consistent type and breeding, or to snooker some people into thinking things that are totally wrong (such as blue dogs or mostly white dogs) are actually "extra special". This one is an example of a "rustic" color pattern. We tend to refer to this as a dirty fawn. It's not seen so much anymore as it didn't catch on in popularity so much, but it is a true color pattern existing widely about 10 years ago.[/quote] I am not much for Presa but I like this dog a lot.
                              • I just wonder how much of the Majorero is left in Presa (Dogo) Canarios? Richard :)
                                • manuel curto is the father of the presa canario. no one who does not own a dog from his kennel should be allowed to judge, especially presadam who does not own a presa canario.
                                  • your a sheep just like many curto marks he has and still mixes his dogs currently they are far from purebred
                                    • [quote=bobobman]your a sheep just like many curto marks he has and still mixes his dogs currently they are far from purebred[/quote] Amen to that post!
                                      • stay away from presa canario then. without manuel curto, you would not even have this breed, idiot. what he has done is he has re-created the breed and made it a joy for us to own. he has been invited to publish 2 official books on presa canario, one is english and one in spanish. have u been invited to write any?
                                        • Sorry, but Curto did not write 2 books on the breed, one in English, one in Spanish... he wrote 1- in Spanish- which was translated into English by a publisher. And unfortunately for Curto he couldn't make the breed what it is all by himself, which if you read his writings he will acknowledge.
                                          • bottomline is people do not acknowledge his work, yet want to own this breed. bullshit people who thinks they know more than him can try writing a book. idiots who criticize his work and dogs should not own presas, but can try re-creating a breed by themselves so they can determine their own standard
                                            • [quote=redcoat1102]bottomline is people do not acknowledge his work, yet want to own this breed. **cow droppings** people who thinks they know more than him can try writing a book. idiots who criticize his work and dogs should not own presas, but can try re-creating a breed by themselves so they can determine their own standard[/quote] So you are saying he created the standard... hmm that is why the registry he has his dogs through do not except all his dogs because of them NOT meeting standards. UKC does not RECOGNIZE the white Presa and yet he keeps creating a PRESA with over 20% of white on it! Sorry bud but I love my PRESA'S very much and I am no way shape or form to say I am an expert but I do know my standards and know there are more out there that help to bring this wonderful breed back. Curto just put in his 2 cents.
                                              • Actually Deb, UKC only recognises Curto papers because Of Espo and Tom Pickel or East Coast PC being involved with the NPPCC at the time they were courting the UKC for recognition. The UKC standard is the CEPRC (CEDC) standard written by the Royal Sociedad de Canina Espanol in 1989 (NOT by Curto), with a few minor changes in made to fit common SS dog faults (such as the pump handle tail). I think Curto did start his own registry for his paperwork after FCI recognition though.
                                                • did ukc create the breed? did fci create the breed?
                                                  • [quote=Presadam]Actually Deb, UKC only recognises Curto papers because Of Espo and Tom Pickel or East Coast PC being involved with the NPPCC at the time they were courting the UKC for recognition. The UKC standard is the CEPRC (CEDC) standard written by the Royal Sociedad de Canina Espanol in 1989 (NOT by Curto), with a few minor changes in made to fit common SS dog faults (such as the pump handle tail). I think Curto did start his own registry for his paperwork after FCI recognition though.[/quote] Thanks Carla for the history lesson on how and why Curto uses UKC. Also isn't he using the registry b/c he didn't want his dogs listed as Dogo due to NAME CHANGE ONLY from FCI? But I will say I was trying to point out the FACT that he can't not stay uniformed by his own dogs. Curto has some nice dogs from the past at least from what I see but anything really that is 6 years old and newer just looks like mix dogs. Thanks again I love learning more and more about our WONDERFUL BREED. Deb
                                                    • stop sprouting rubbish, go write a book on presas if u r so smart
                                                      • [quote=redcoat1102]did ukc create the breed? did fci create the breed?[/quote] UKC, AKC, FCI, KC, etc do not create breeds they give the means to help put the breed out there with standards and to promote breeds by giving a registry. I am sorry bud but do you have to be so ignoriant? [quote=redcoat1102]stop sprouting rubbish, go write a book on presas if u r so smart[/quote] Is this all you got? Can't find anything better to say? Not all think they need to WRITE A BOOK to have knowledge. Just like so many others that HELPED to bring this breed back. Do you know for a FACT that he was asked to write the book or did he write it and get it publised. HMM I am going for the second one LESSON FOR YOU ON HUMANS. Some want to be famous anyway they can. Some get famous by becoming actors, some get famous by singers/bands. And some get famous in smaller amounts like WRITING A BOOK So now when Curto dies he has a book out there he can all his very own. By the way, do you even own a Presa? If so WHO? For that matter stop hiding behind a SCREEN NAME and post your real one. Get over yourself. Deb
                                                        • ur presas look like crap, this is a result of u not doing adequate research which is y u are pissed at curto's presa anyway, cut the crap about curto writing a book for fame. it's totally irrelevant and i see that you have chosen to be famous through breeding crap presas www.iremacurto.com please put a link to ur website for people to judge ur crap cheers! :lol:
                                                          • [quote=redcoat1102]ur presas look like crap, this is a result of u not doing adequate research which is y u are pissed at curto's presa anyway, cut the crap about curto writing a book for fame. it's totally irrelevant and i see that you have chosen to be famous through breeding crap presas www.iremacurto.com please put a link to ur website for people to judge ur crap cheers! :lol:[/quote] Thanks for the GREAT compliment about my dogs. All on here know who my Presa's are and what they have accomplished. But all who do not know who I am and my website Sorry hun I do not like his Presa plain and simple not b/c I did not do my research. But you keep spilling your bull**** and hiding behind a screen name Have a BLESSED DAY! Deb
                                                            • i understand u want to create ur own presa, but why do that when u can buy from an accomplished breeder who is recognized as the 'father of the modern presa' and improvise from there. doesn't make sense, does it? alot of people are like u, they wanna come in and invent new things when it has already been invented. they are proud and refuse any form of advice. they breed, they sell to inexperienced owners. the dogs turn out to be crap and people attribute it to the breed. u have never owned a curto's before, u do not know what is it. u have been poisoned by the dogo canario mind. u work ur dogs, yes. everyone can work their dogs. on www.elpresa.com/forums, there are even people working their presas on wild boars, these dogs are in anyway much more superior and they have pedigrees traced back to curto's. cheers
                                                              • Jesus Christ... How many plugs and how much business does 1 breeder need that you incessantly keep bringing up how this person is the father of the breed, that people should only buy from them... My god, we all understand you hang on this persons every word as gospel, but for christs sake, others have the choice to believe what they want, do with their dogs as the please, and buy them from who ever the hell they want. DEB, Stop wasting your time with this person, stop stopping to his level. You're above that my lady friend. Mike
                                                                • it's not about plugs or business. it's about staying true to the authenticity of the breed
                                                                  • [quote=crnosrce1]Jesus Christ... How many plugs and how much business does 1 breeder need that you incessantly keep bringing up how this person is the father of the breed, that people should only buy from them... My god, we all understand you hang on this persons every word as gospel, but for christs sake, others have the choice to believe what they want, do with their dogs as the please, and buy them from who ever the hell they want. DEB, Stop wasting your time with this person, stop stopping to his level. You're above that my lady friend. Mike[/quote] Thanks Mike I have to agree with you .... Hugs Deb
                                                                    • redcoat since you know so much about presa's im curious what lines yours are from
                                                                      • I went to Curtos website and I must say: 1 I know nothing about Dogo/presa breeds 2 Curtos dogs have no consitent type 3 Curtos dogs do not look very athletic So maybe he is very important in the breed but I would not buy a dog from a breeder with no consistent type.
                                                                        • How can i post some pictures of old rustic lines from spain and las palmas??still there are some rustic lines of presa canario at Spain.Please someone should change the forum index"Perro De Presa Canario(Dogo Canario) NOT THE SAME!!!!!
                                                                          • Well I believe that Curto does not have a consistent type, but I think thats because you can get several different types of dogs. Types of dogs I mean some of everyones preference, the short stocky, the more athletic, very hard temp, etc, etc. Not that I am a Curto zombie, but I like [color=red]some [/color]of his dogs, and [color=red]some[/color] other kennels dogs. I really do respect his efforts for the breed as well as EVERYBODY else's. There will be kennels that have good and bad dogs depending on ones preference. There isnt one kennel that everyone that is a presa lover can go to and say we all like that one kennels dogs, there will be people to say well I dont like their dogs for so and so reasons.
                                                                            • [quote="pittbull22"]Well I believe that Curto does not have a consistent type, but I think thats because you can get several different types of dogs. Types of dogs I mean some of everyones preference, the short stocky, the more athletic, very hard temp, etc, etc. Not that I am a Curto zombie, but I like [color=red]some [/color]of his dogs, and [color=red]some[/color] other kennels dogs. I really do respect his efforts for the breed as well as EVERYBODY else's. There will be kennels that have good and bad dogs depending on ones preference. There isnt one kennel that everyone that is a presa lover can go to and say we all like that one kennels dogs, there will be people to say well I dont like their dogs for so and so reasons.[/quote] This could be said of any breed. Richard :)
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