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Kangal or Malakli

The diference between a Kangla and Malakli dog...Malakli dog are the crossbred fighting dog, more agresive that Kangal. Kangal is livestock guardian dog, they protect but safe, they will not attack for no good reason, si if you need proteccion with both you will have, but Malakli is more agresive one,
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      • Oktug said....Andreita everybody knows and accepts that Akbash is a little more agressive, in order to undertsand this you have to own these breeds and make the comparison yourself. If you don't think so please let me know also how you reached this conclusion? Well I understand you have experience and a lot of time and is your job all this, but answering your question, where I reached that conclution, ...well, it is not really what I have been read, I just have the opinion of diferent people who knows about these particular dogs and also I have the opinion of the specialits Aryon , he talked me the kangal is the best. But believe I respect your opinion, that si why I answer you , is always important ask about something you are new and want to learn, I consider this an information forum, so each one can have more ideas and knowlegde about an specific theme. If i have the oportunitie , I would like to visit your breed and see the dogs, thank you .
        • [quote=Hugo]There are dogs created y the action of the nature and there are some others created by the man. The Alabay, CO, Tibetan Mastif, Kangal, FILA Brasileiro, etc., are breeds created by nature, even if at same point the man intervined in the selection process.[/quote] Nonsense.
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            • Because it takes a lot of close breeding to maintain a certain phenotype. More so when the phenotype is further from what works in nature such as in the case of big large boned dogs. Also the psychological makeup or what we call temperament of the domestic dog is contrary to what works in nature. The qualities we look for in most dog breeds fit for one job or another just by being present indicate the dog is missing other qualities that would allow it to survive in the wild. Wild canids avoid conflict in all but very specific circumstances, especially with humans. It is not in the best interest of a wild animal to enter into conflict unnecessarily. Even if it wins it may be injured to the point of not being able to hunt for food and will die. LGDs obviously will enter into conflict willingly, this is not arrived at through natural selection, it is done by the hand of man.
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                • I agree with you HUgo, based on the need the human been has or want, they adapt or use the dogs, for that option, if you need a dog for protecction you find one, for anything you need you find one, and yes the people since long time ago, they did that and still doing the same thing, that is why we have natural breeders and the other who are mixxed dogs, I understand perfeclty waht you explain. I am not going to say if that is bad or wrong, it is the real life and that is the way it is.or am I wrong?
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                        • I can not decide for myself , because i like both dogs.. Keek doing your best, that is very good, congratulations about this. I am just trying to learn more about those 2 dogs, thats all, believe me , I am not trying to do sometihng else, what I really want is to get all the information as posible so I can buy the best dog and be in touch with the best breeder in Turkey... Thank you for you help and your time for answering my post. It is wonderfull to have this as a hobbie, I love it very much.
                          • [quote=oktug]When people are speaking about a big boned dog they generally understand all are like the English Mastiff. In order to understand that this was not the case you need to see our dogs in Türkiye. I don't know how I can help you on this. :)[/quote] oktug, I said this in reference to what the other guy said. He lumped CO, Tibetan mastiff and others with the "natural" dogs. Those dogs can be big boned. I can clearly see from the pictures you posted that your dogs are closer to a natural phenotype. My main point is you don't see feral dogs of large size. A feral dog is what you'd have if the dogs were breeding without human intervention. I think we are in agreement.[quote=oktug]He was not taken care of well enough after he was seperated from his mother, nothing major. He grew up and became the father of 2 litters. He even joined the Kangal festival in 2007 with his brothers when they were 5 months old. They were both eliminated as the judges did not believe they were 5 months old.[/quote] Nice to know the puppy turned out fine, thanks. I did a quick calculation there.. Do you normally breed your male dogs at 1.5 years of age? Do your dogs show their full potential by 1.5 years? Regards.
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                                  • It was clear, I get the point Hugo I did not know about the Dogo Argentino was this mix. So going back what we are interested ...the Kangal....each day I find this dog a little more spectacular....can not wait to have one with me
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                                      • That's an impressive looking kennel oktug, reminds me of Jurassic park :D
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                                          • Oktug wrote [blockquote]Whether the Malaklı’s are mixed Kangal’s or not that could only be decided after the on going genetic research. The first results of the Kangal genetic research will most probably be ready in the first moths of 2009. After that the research will be performed for the other known Turkish breeds including Malaklı’s. Until that it is not ethical to talk whether they are mixes of any other breed or not. Again for my opinion there are a lot of mixed dogs and that’s true but we have the original Malaklı’s as well. I can not say anything about the situation right now as Kangal is my first priority. [/blockquote] I understand there is not an answer yet Hugo...or somebody has it ?
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                                              • I have a malakli male, he's now 2,5 years old. Be aware, they are very difficult dogs to raise. As for protecting your family and property, don't worry he can and will do that like no other. Here are some vids on youtube from 5 months ago. He has matured a lot since. http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=PanzerSeker&view=videos Seker 3yrs 32kg(!) my favourite. What she lacks in size and weight she makes up for with her character, 4/4. A pity they consider her to be a mutt because of her size. She's the perfect urban guarddog and my personal bodyguard. Not that I need one, but it makes her happy :P
                                                • Annihilus I love dogs, but I think those are one of my favorite ....I will love to have one of them, someday, if everything is ok, very soon. still working on that. Really nice pictures and also the videos, cool, thanks for sharing ,specially your commments . I would consider that.
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                                                    • Oktug What happen here is that I am little confused. Hugo indeed accepts that but following the assertion of Montana. You however, first affirmed that it is finishing the adn research opf the Kangal and then will continue the same for the Malakli and then for the other Turkish breeds (including the BSD, I gess) and that until that research is finished no one can assert that those breeds are pure or mixed. So I was expecting your opinion on that. Can you affirm now that the BSD is am ancient purebreed, even without that research? BTW, thanks a lot for your kindnes answer and also you wrote me , if i go to Turkey, I can stop by , so you can give me some adreses where are good examples of all dogs, ...so where would be that? best regards Andreita
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                                                              • Oktug Thank you very much, I dont need any scientific evidence, I believe what you are saying, so, with your opinion is more than enough. And I will let you know when I go to Turkey.... thanks for the oportunitie. Thanks again for all the information you gave me, best regards
                                                                • [quote=Hugo]Nice dog the Malakli. Tell me my friend in your experience the Malakli is dificult to deal with? if so, in which way. Thanks for the pics and the clips. Regards, Hugo[/quote] well,... strong as an ox smart as an fox and stubborn as a donkey a difficult combination Boils down to this, they are very dominant dogs. They have been kept much closer to humans then kangals. But nothing of their natural drive has been lost. You cannot compare it to any another breed living close with humans. If you cannot be the topdog in your family with a malakli you are bound to have big problems, you cannot afford a mistake with these dogs. There is is a big difference in keeping a malakli on a chain in front of your house or keeping him as a pet. If you give him a finger he will take your head, it's in their nature. This does nor mean you have to be a tiran to control them, it won't work anyway. They are loyal because they want to be and you have to proof/earn it. I love this breed because they have honour, really they do. But like I said before you'll have to earn their respect first, after that he'll fight the devil himself for you. ps. mine sleeps in bed with me at night so maybe you better consider a kangal :P :P :P
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                                                                    • Hugo go please tell me to keep safe from what? If it's only animals I recomend a pure bred Kangal for sure. But if you want to be safe from humans too, a Malakli is a much better choice in my opinion. A Malakli will, always watch your back while a Kangal is just looking for wolfs :twisted: btw, this is his father from 2000 at the Kangal festival, in those times they made no difference between kangal or malakli
                                                                      • Very interesting and important what you writte here between the Kangla and Malakli, guau, .... Nice dog
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                                                                                    • [quote=oktug]This was what I have been trying to explain. This is Garip and he is from Nevşehir region. He was not a Malaklı. (Of course this was my opinion again :D :D )He was huge and looked impressive so the owners bred him with whatever dog they found. They did not make a distinction whether it was a Kangal, a malaklı, or...you name it. Now Annihilus I don't know where you got your dog from but I assure you that your dogs father is definetely not Garip. He is resting in peace since 2002 and your dog is 2.5 years old. Sorry... :( :( Besides your dog does not look anything like Garip's family. There is one thing certain that your dog is a Malaklı though. [/quote] Don't be sorry, I am happy to find out so thank you for this. I took this dog from it's previous owner at 5 months because he could not take care of him. He was certain Garip was the father. For me it doesn't matter, I just wanted to give him a good home and I am very happy I did so. I think I can never find out about his family now.
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                                                                                          • Oktug OK, lets put the dobermann aside. You are right , everything is getting clear for me now about the difference between the Kangal and the Malakli. Thanks for your contribution, we will continue learning about these great dogs. Can you tell me where should be those adreses in Turkey I can visite, because I am planing my trip very soon. Thanks a lot Annihilus you have a very nice dogs, enjoy them....
                                                                                            • Oktug and Andreita, thank you for your nice warm comments :D I realy like Dobers too, but the thing with them is they lack independence. You cannot keep a Dobermann the way you can keep an ASD. Then again I rather have an ASD pick on me then a dober, they are real killers 8O
                                                                                              • Your welcome.... You know I dont really like dobermans, when I was a kid , I saw a very sad episodio with this dog, so I rather stay away from them.sorry
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                                                                                                  • Well H... When I was a kid, everyday with my friends usually use to go to the park in front of my house in the afternoon, in this park we use to have a guardian, an old man with a stik, a very good friends of us, everyday was just fun after fun, play and play and sudently one day ...a kid like 3 or 4 years old with her mother and a small dog, I dont remember wich dog was, were walking around the park, and from one house in a momnet they open the garage, 2 dobberman go out running just direct to the small dog, we saw everything and the small dog die, because of nothing, I understand if a dog atack somebody or is in a dangerous situation, could act like that, but not for nothing, so...I have this idea of this dog, srry about the pelople like this dog, but i really dont. I also heard I dont know that at night dont recongnize his owner? is that true? well I find this story not so important , but when I think in these dog, become this story of my life, you know when oyu are a kid, the thinks you see completly diferetnt, I try to change it, but I still feel sad about that day.
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                                                                                                      • You are right about all you wrotte, the owner has to be very carefull about taking care specially a dog like those. I will try to thing this way, so the dog is a real good guardian.....but ( I still dont like them ...is a joke now,) Really is a good point what you said, thanks for giving me that option, I wroote , when you are a child you see the thinks diferent, so now has to change...gracias por hacermelo ver desde otro punto, m..rrrr ..a :wink:
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