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[quote1319547137=theoneneo] BTW black bears are pretty common in the u.s. So if we all had to make lots of noise in our state or national forests hiking and "being one with the forest" might lose its appeal. Just a thought. There are also 7 listed deaths by bear mailings in the u.s in 2010 and 2011. 3 were from black bears 4 from grizzly. One of those 3 black bears was in captivity. There are close to half a million black bears in the u.s and grizzly in the lower 48 only number in the hundreds. [/quote1319547137] I'm from Canada eh, not sure we can compare wildlife figures with the USA here LOL Bears are only one thing that could hurt humans and dogs out in the bush. I don't want to tangle with ANYTHING, even things like skunks and porcupines. Hence, we all make lots of noise. Those who died (rest their souls), perhaps they just weren't prepared to confront a large animal. In Canada's east coast last year, there was a young lady got hunted by coyotes, seems she might have been listening to her ipod. Be aware, and have a plan.
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    • So I made a short drive out to thenational forest today. Did some hiking, the place is great! wild natural, untamed, crystal clear water, remote, no other ppl around etc. only thing is I was hiking by myself and I saw heavy bear sign. I didnt feel too comfortable and cut the hike short and didnt get into too thick of brush, as I was hiking game trails. This got me thinking about having some sort of protection while hiking, was wodnering whats your guys thoughts? I plan to continue hiking the general area but not that specific spot. Im thinking about grabbing a pistol.
      • [quote1319340156=cawkazn] So I made a short drive out to thenational forest today. Did some hiking, the place is great! wild natural, untamed, crystal clear water, remote, no other ppl around etc. only thing is I was hiking by myself and I saw heavy bear sign. I didnt feel too comfortable and cut the hike short and didnt get into too thick of brush, as I was hiking game trails. This got me thinking about having some sort of protection while hiking, was wodnering whats your guys thoughts? I plan to continue hiking the general area but not that specific spot. Im thinking about grabbing a pistol. [/quote1319340156] You usually have your dogs with correct? That's my first line of defense which is really just a deterrent. Bears usually don't like to bite off more than they think they can chew or take risks. I think your in black bear country correct? Black bears are usually less likely to attack, and rarely seen even if there's signs. Ive hiked back deep into griz and black bear country numerous times and have only seen one griz which ran off immediately. Bear spray is usually the first thing to buy due to it being effective and not only saving you but also the bear. Also with a gun if a bear does charge you hope that your a good shot either you'll miss completely of just nick him or hurt him but not kill him, then you just have a pissed off bear. But the best thing overall might be all the above, dogs, bear spray and a gun might be the best answer:) I've personally never carried a gun as I havnt felt the need. I have the dogs, bear spray and other people with me all of which should be sufficient. Oh and one more thing is I have the knowledge of how to react if we do happen to see a bear or if it charges which is probably most important as lack of this is what gets people killed. I do carry a large knife as well but that's really for other critters, not effective on bears to often. Anyways i say its not a bad idea but maybe look into bear spray as well.
        • yeah i was thinking of bear spray as well, yeah im in black bear country, i have the dogs with me but all the hiking I do is "alone" meaning its just me and my dogs. I figured for the most part black bears will most likely take off if we come across one but im worried about running into a bear with cubs. another thing that worries me is if we do come across a bear, i know my dogs will go after it. wether they try and actually bite it or just jump around and bark I dont know. they have never seen one but have a high prey drive so I know for sure when they see one they are ganna go after it.
          • I spend 5 hours in angeles crest national forest on Thursday, just me and my 11 months old. I'll have to say that your concern is a concern I also have while hiking since I too hike alone, especially that I only have one dog. I think Brandon makes great points and has all the right "tools" while hiking; dogs, spray, knife, and other people with him. I have the same tools, but I also have a solid wooden hiking stick that has a 5 inches custom made sharp metal tip that makes a very nice weapon if needed. The bear spray I use, was created by a man that was attacked by a grizzly and survived by chance but got very badly injured. Later, he dedicated himself to create a spray that is super strong and can stop a charging grizzly up to 30 feet away. I too believe like Brandon that if you use a gun, but somehow miss or only injure the bear, you'll be in big trouble. My girl is still young, so it's hard for me to really know how she would react, but I feel/hope she will try to keep a bear at bay. I can tell you that I am learning how to read her body language. She has a very good sense of smell, and if a wild animal is near, or has been in the area not long ago, her body language changes and it sounds an alarm for me to be on the alert. My spray is always right in front of me hanging on my backpack buckle, so that it'll take 2 seconds to get it out and spray.
            • Put bells or something on your dogs, and you also should make lots of noise as you walk. Everything will clear your path. Air horns can be good too. Bear spray, i once tested some out in the bush just to see how far it goes. Wind circled around and I got a bunch in my eyes. Don't want to have that happen out in the bush if you can avoid it.
              • [quote1319470496=tosamama] Put bells or something on your dogs, and you also should make lots of noise as you walk. Everything will clear your path. Air horns can be good too. Bear spray, i once tested some out in the bush just to see how far it goes. Wind circled around and I got a bunch in my eyes. Don't want to have that happen out in the bush if you can avoid it. [/quote1319470496] Noise is usually more necessary in griz country not black bear country. Black bears usually attack out of a predatory nature not because they are startled, if they are startled they usually high tail as the risk is only worth it if they plan to eat you:) And if the planned on making you into a meal they were probably already stalking you as the have been known to do. Griz attack to eliminate a threat, so if you startle them their first thought is to fight (at least for the ones that attack). That's why you rarely hear of griz actually eating their victims. Of course black bears attack much less than Griz so its really not worth making a lot of racket and scaring off the rest of the wildlife. I've also heard bells can be like dinner bells for Cougars:) Anyways bear spray is the most effective deterrent and I would personally stick with that. Yes on a windier day it may come back your way, but just be mindful of this if a bear does charge and prepare to wait it out til its close enough to hit it directly in the eyes.
                • well, every bear documentary i've ever watched (and that's a few), bears don't really want to cross us. they will do what is necessary to avoid us, but they have to hear us coming. most attacks involve young, and a protective mom. or if they are surprised and feel they have to fight.
                  • [quote1319480008=tosamama] well, every bear documentary i've ever watched (and that's a few), bears don't really want to cross us. they will do what is necessary to avoid us, but they have to hear us coming. most attacks involve young, and a protective mom. or if they are surprised and feel they have to fight. [/quote1319480008] Right bears usually try to avoid us. And most attacks occur in griz country because they were startled or surprised. Again statistically griz attack more. Black bears rarely attack but when they do its usually to eat you, therefore they probably are already stalking you so noise won't make a difference. There is usually a big difference between the reasons black bears attack and the reasons griz attack. And of course how you should react when they do is also much different.
                    • BTW black bears are pretty common in the u.s. So if we all had to make lots of noise in our state or national forests hiking and "being one with the forest" might lose its appeal. Just a thought. There are also 7 listed deaths by bear mailings in the u.s in 2010 and 2011. 3 were from black bears 4 from grizzly. One of those 3 black bears was in captivity. There are close to half a million black bears in the u.s and grizzly in the lower 48 only number in the hundreds.
                      • [quote1319500364=cawkazn]~This got me thinking about having some sort of protection while hiking, was wodnering whats your guys thoughts?[/quote1319500364]Yep - that is what I would do. .45 Semi Auto, .357 Mag Revolver, .40 ACP or Hi-capacity 9mm with hydrashocks or Winchester Ranger Law Enforcement Ammo. I take the Hi cap nine (19 in the mag and one in the tube) when venture off the beaten path or when I am on the beaten path.
                        • [quote1319516227=Castanha] I spend 5 hours in angeles crest national forest on Thursday, just me and my 11 months old. I'll have to say that your concern is a concern I also have while hiking since I too hike alone, especially that I only have one dog. I think Brandon makes great points and has all the right "tools" while hiking; dogs, spray, knife, and other people with him. I have the same tools, but I also have a solid wooden hiking stick that has a 5 inches custom made sharp metal tip that makes a very nice weapon if needed. The bear spray I use, was created by a man that was attacked by a grizzly and survived by chance but got very badly injured. Later, he dedicated himself to create a spray that is super strong and can stop a charging grizzly up to 30 feet away. I too believe like Brandon that if you use a gun, but somehow miss or only injure the bear, you'll be in big trouble. My girl is still young, so it's hard for me to really know how she would react, but I feel/hope she will try to keep a bear at bay. I can tell you that I am learning how to read her body language. She has a very good sense of smell, and if a wild animal is near, or has been in the area not long ago, her body language changes and it sounds an alarm for me to be on the alert. My spray is always right in front of me hanging on my backpack buckle, so that it'll take 2 seconds to get it out and spray. [/quote1319516227] if worst comes to worst i rather rely on a gun than some spray, and if a bear is close enough to spray something into its eyes. its close enough to shoot it in its head or body multiple times. Was thinking along the lines of a 9mm. since my dogs have never seen a bear, they dont know that one can injure them and if they see on im pretty sure they will go gung hoe for a a bit and then get injured. If i thought all they would do is jump around and bark I wouldnt be too worried.
                          • [quote1319540266=cawkazn] [quote1319516227=Castanha] I spend 5 hours in angeles crest national forest on Thursday, just me and my 11 months old. I'll have to say that your concern is a concern I also have while hiking since I too hike alone, especially that I only have one dog. I think Brandon makes great points and has all the right "tools" while hiking; dogs, spray, knife, and other people with him. I have the same tools, but I also have a solid wooden hiking stick that has a 5 inches custom made sharp metal tip that makes a very nice weapon if needed. The bear spray I use, was created by a man that was attacked by a grizzly and survived by chance but got very badly injured. Later, he dedicated himself to create a spray that is super strong and can stop a charging grizzly up to 30 feet away. I too believe like Brandon that if you use a gun, but somehow miss or only injure the bear, you'll be in big trouble. My girl is still young, so it's hard for me to really know how she would react, but I feel/hope she will try to keep a bear at bay. I can tell you that I am learning how to read her body language. She has a very good sense of smell, and if a wild animal is near, or has been in the area not long ago, her body language changes and it sounds an alarm for me to be on the alert. My spray is always right in front of me hanging on my backpack buckle, so that it'll take 2 seconds to get it out and spray. [/quote1319516227] if worst comes to worst i rather rely on a gun than some spray, and if a bear is close enough to spray something into its eyes. its close enough to shoot it in its head or body multiple times. Was thinking along the lines of a 9mm. since my dogs have never seen a bear, they dont know that one can injure them and if they see on im pretty sure they will go gung hoe for a a bit and then get injured. If i thought all they would do is jump around and bark I wouldnt be too worried. [/quote1319540266] Yea really its up to you in the end. But honestly you more than likely won't need it. I guess carrying a gun is probably more fun than a big can of bear spray anyways:) I just personally would rather save myself and the bear as this has been proven time and again to be the best route. Your dogs would probably do more than you think though. Black bears have been tree'd by house cats before so its certainly within reason to think they could scare one off.
                            • [quote1319547137=theoneneo] BTW black bears are pretty common in the u.s. So if we all had to make lots of noise in our state or national forests hiking and "being one with the forest" might lose its appeal. Just a thought. There are also 7 listed deaths by bear mailings in the u.s in 2010 and 2011. 3 were from black bears 4 from grizzly. One of those 3 black bears was in captivity. There are close to half a million black bears in the u.s and grizzly in the lower 48 only number in the hundreds. [/quote1319547137] I'm from Canada eh, not sure we can compare wildlife figures with the USA here LOL Bears are only one thing that could hurt humans and dogs out in the bush. I don't want to tangle with ANYTHING, even things like skunks and porcupines. Hence, we all make lots of noise. Those who died (rest their souls), perhaps they just weren't prepared to confront a large animal. In Canada's east coast last year, there was a young lady got hunted by coyotes, seems she might have been listening to her ipod. Be aware, and have a plan.
                              • Yes, the young 19 year old upcoming Canadian singer died I believe after she was attacked by two oyotes. One never knows what will happen, and the more you remain alert while in the wilderness, the better chance you stand. Again, this is why I am learing to "read" my girl as much as I can, and relly on her nose and hears to warn me in advance. I have to say though that if a bear is really hungry and knows it needs to eat NOW to survive, he most likely will attack.
                                • Just remembered some stuff on how rangers deal with problem bears. After capture, they try to scare the bear so it'll be gone for good. seen them use firecrackers, rubber bullets, lots of yelling and Karelian bear dogs. Newer show on tv too, called Blonde vs Bear, funny to see this big blonde woman chasing off bears :))
                                  • thats just it, im worried they will do too much. as in my dogs thoughts will be " hey look at that thing, let me go attack it. I dont know it has claws." than hes ganna run and and go for a bite with no fear and meet the bears claws.
                                    • yes, you need to watch out with that. however, your dogs are mature and smart, and if you have the three of them with you, they should be too much of a distraction for one bear alone. He may tree right away unless it's a female with cubs of course. I hiked 11 years with my other dog that was a street dog and we hiked very silently. He didn't have tags that were making any noise, I wasn't talking to him, we were just silent. I guess we got very lucky, but I won't try this again. I have tags on my girl's collar that make plenty of noise and should help clearing the way... anyway while out there, we need to do anything we can do to keep ourselves and your dogs safe.
                                      • I guess the point to being in the outdoors, specifically in wilderness areas is to enjoy nature and this includes actually seeing it. I walk through as quiet as possible as to not disturb my surroundings. And for the chance to see a moose, deer, elk, or bear. The only exception is when I'm in grizzly country as they are much more likely to attack if startled. Here (in minnesota) black bears aren't seen often but we have over 30,000 roaming the state. And one fatality in the last 20 years. Believe it or not black bears are pretty shy and docile. They will usually run as mentioned even when startled. I think a lot of grizzly bear characteristics are attributed to black bears, but their personalites can be very different. Something to think about is, 1. How unlikely it may be to see one in the wilderness. 2. Even less likely, you being attacked, especially with dogs with you. Obviously be prepared anytime you go into the woods, but fear and unnecessary noises are probably better left at home. Especially given that a car accident is more likely on the way there than a bear attacking you.
                                        • You can never be too careful out in the bush, it only takes 1 incident with a bear, cougar, venomous snake or other dangerous animal to end your life. Your safety out in remote isolated places should never be taken for granted.
                                          • Your perception of the obvious is quite acute.
                                            • What is quite obvious to me and you isn't so obvious to everyone else unfortunately. I love nature but I never go anywhere remote unarmed, unfortunately it is actually those with 2 legs you have to worry about the most.
                                              • [quote1320269959=TheGreat] What is quite obvious to me and you isn't so obvious to everyone else unfortunately. I love nature but I never go anywhere remote unarmed, unfortunately it is actually those with 2 legs you have to worry about the most. [/quote1320269959] No your absolutely right. Actually I would say its much more likely even in thick bear country to have to defend against a 2 legged threat.
                                                • [quote1320521464=tosamama] Put bells or something on your dogs, and you also should make lots of noise as you walk. Everything will clear your path. Air horns can be good too. Bear spray, i once tested some out in the bush just to see how far it goes. Wind circled around and I got a bunch in my eyes. Don't want to have that happen out in the bush if you can avoid it. [/quote1320521464] I have to co sign this. I put bells on my dogs and we rarely run into critters. I got mine from Wal Mart for a bout 4 bucks.
                                                  • Yes if you want people to confirm suspicions that your from the city, or hate wildlife in its natural setting put bells on your dogs.
                                                    • [quote1320542286=theoneneo] Yes if you want people to confirm suspicions that your from the city, or hate wildlife in its natural setting put bells on your dogs. [/quote1320542286] We have a wild boar problem in Texas. They have been spotted with 10-15 miles of my house. In the area I camp in they have become a real problem. I will do anything I can to make sure that any and all wild boar in the area know where I am so that they have more then enough time to get out of my way. I don't want to end up wrapping a wounded dog/dogs in a tarp and trying to hike them back to my campsite. And if the hogs get a hold of me I might not even be able to do that. My dogs are pets. They are not experienced hog dogs or bear dogs. I am not taking any chances.
                                                      • if i live in an area with alot of hogs i would be hog doggin everyday. just cause your dogs arent experienced doesnt mean you couldnt train them
                                                        • hey bossofboss, i have to agree on that with boars being extremly dangerous, just as much as bears and pumas, if not more. my dog is also a pet/hiking partner, but even though she's never seen a boar, i do excpect of her to know how to bay a boar even without training. my female's blood is designed for boar hunting, so i think her DNA/instinct would kick in automatically without the training, and she'll keep both of us safe.
                                                          • [quote1320799423=Castanha] hey bossofboss, i have to agree on that with boars being extremly dangerous, just as much as bears and pumas, if not more. my dog is also a pet/hiking partner, but even though she's never seen a boar, i do excpect of her to know how to bay a boar even without training. my female's blood is designed for boar hunting, so i think her DNA/instinct would kick in automatically without the training, and she'll keep both of us safe. [/quote1320799423] I honestly hope that you keep your dog away from wild boar until she is WELL trained. Boars sometimes move in a herd of nine or twelve. If one gets grabbed often the whole herd will turn on its attacker. Well trained dog with cut vest and cut collars often get killed baying and catching wild boars. I don't even want to wonder what would happen if my untrained, unvested dogs got into with a bad boar. And in Texas some of these boars have been hunted hard their whole lives and they know how to fight a dog.
                                                            • It's a pretty small percentage of boars that are truly hell on wheels, dog-killer extraordinaires. A career of boardogging and your dog is gonna run into the odd one, but the chance of running into one just aimlessly wandering about in the wilderness is pretty slim. The chance of running into any pig are pretty slim, it won't be by accident, it will mean your dog has pulled off a hell of a find and catch (or bay).
                                                              • To add to that...not sure what bells will do for board.
                                                                • [quote1320802873=theoneneo] To add to that...not sure what bells will do for board. [/quote1320802873] It make enough noise so that they have more of a warning to animals and people that I am in the area. 1. The animals hear the bells way before we come near them. 2. They smell a human with two dogs. 3. They move further away from the trail/direction I am going in. 4. It also give other hikers a head up and alerts them to another hiker in the area. I have had a few run ins with off leash dogs due to people thinking they were far enough into the woods to let their dogs off leash. I just want to do as much as I can to keep my dogs from getting into it with another animal.
                                                                  • I don't understand why you'd want to be in the wilderness if not to see and interact with the wildlife. That's just my personal view though, but yeah for me that's what it's all about. My dogs need to learn how to shut the hell up so we can sneak up on unsuspecting animals, certainly wouldn't put bells on them. Mind you, sneaking up on animals is still mega hard, and usually by the time you see them they've seen you and are running away. But I'd rather see them running away than not at all. Might as well walk around the neighbourhood blocks if you aren't going to see animals. That's my view anyway.
                                                                    • [quote1320805707=Tonedog] I don't understand why you'd want to be in the wilderness if not to see and interact with the wildlife. That's just my personal view though, but yeah for me that's what it's all about. My dogs need to learn how to shut the hell up so we can sneak up on unsuspecting animals, certainly wouldn't put bells on them. Mind you, sneaking up on animals is still mega hard, and usually by the time you see them they've seen you and are running away. But I'd rather see them running away than not at all. Might as well walk around the neighbourhood blocks if you aren't going to see animals. That's my view anyway. [/quote1320805707] I don't think you understand. I don't want my dogs, which are pets, to have interaction with wild animals that might do them harm or that they could harm. Yes they have chased more then their fair share of rabbits and such on hikes. But I want to avoid altercations with 'yotes, 'coons, deer and boars. The last time we went camping there were deer walking with 20-30yds of my campsite. I have vid of a red tailed hawk eating a duck. I had a family of coons walk across the trail at a local lake. I've been in a tent and had 'coons come into my campsite. Boss and I have been followed by 'yotes twice. One time was a night at a lake. It was far from pleasant. When you are hustling down a well used trail or a game trail it is easy to run into an animal or another hiker that is doing the same thing. I want to WATCH wild animals. I personally do not want my dogs INTERACTING with animals that might do them harm or that they might harm. Also, in my neck of the woods, you can get fined if your dog makes a pass at an animal and someone reports you. Back OT. Bear mace seems to run from 25-75 bucks. A fair price IMO but I would still suggest you carry a fire arm that you are comfortable with.
                                                                      • [quote1320808511=Tonedog] I don't understand why you'd want to be in the wilderness if not to see and interact with the wildlife. That's just my personal view though, but yeah for me that's what it's all about. My dogs need to learn how to shut the hell up so we can sneak up on unsuspecting animals, certainly wouldn't put bells on them. Mind you, sneaking up on animals is still mega hard, and usually by the time you see them they've seen you and are running away. But I'd rather see them running away than not at all. Might as well walk around the neighbourhood blocks if you aren't going to see animals. That's my view anyway. [/quote1320808511] I guess we're old school. Roughing it in the woods without bells. But to each their own.
                                                                        • Interesting points from the three of you guys and I must say I am 50/50 on this subject. On one side, I have to agree with Tonedog about the silent hiking in the wild. I did 10 years of hiking/exploring hills and mountains with my first dog in the most possible remote areas just so I don't meet other people with dogs. My first dog was agressive with dogs and people that's why, but I quickly discovered how beautiful and peaceful it is to be where no one is. We always hiked in complete silence. I hade a thick spike leather collar on his neck, but I taped all the tags and metal stuff on purpose not to make any noise. Our mountains are infested with coyotes, being the one animal you're sure to see on a trail. Then we have bears, mountain lions, coons, bob cats, etc... Well in 10 years, I saw one bob cat from about 200 feet away, many coyotes, a fair amount of deers, and that's that. I am pretty sure like Tonedog is saying that other animals were in the area, but took off before we got too close. My first dog was no hunting dog so I didn't have to worry too much about him going after a scent, although he did take off after coyotes many times, always made it back some how. Now, I also have to agree with BossofBoss about not wanting my dog to get into it with a wild animal if I can avoid it, especially that my girl is still way too young. It was enough the other day when she took off running up the hill to get a coyote, and she was only 10 months old! Of course, with her blood and crazy nose, the hunt is on as soon as we hit the trail :) the problem is she does not listen when in that mode (working on it...), this is why I have metal tags on her to make the noise needed so that animals can take off way before we get near. When she'll be a little bit older and will listen better, I will probably go back to silent hiking though, except in the summer because of rattle snakes. Again, she is very young, (turning 1 year old on Nov 16), so for now it's more about me observing her behavior in the mountains and working with what I see her do. On that note, yesterday, my friend and his 5 year old female Lab got VERY close to be attacked by a coyote. It got to the point where he was looking to grab anything to fight the yote, as it got within 8 feet from him. It happened at 2:30 PM in a residential area. His female Lab was chasing squirrels on the other side of the park, and didn't see the coyote getting near. He said that damn coyote was young tall and strong looking. He was snarling as he was approching my friend, man he said he got scared for a minute. Here is a pic of his dog and mine on a hike the day before. http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf26b3127ccefedb39d08b3100000030O00AZsXLZqzctmYPbz4W/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/ http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf26b3127ccefedad85f6a2a00000030O00AZsXLZqzctmYPbz4W/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
                                                                          • You really need to work on your recall especially when it comes to 'yotes. Sometimes one will come in to get your dog to make a pass while the rest of the pack is waiting further in the woods. There are a lot of vids on youtube showing dogs "playing" with yotes. The people that post the vids are unaware that the yote that their dog is "chasing off" and "playing" with is actually trying to lure the dog into the woods so the dog can be killed by the rest of the pack. The 'yotes Boss and I ran into at the lake that night tried that BS with us. One walked up in plain sight while the others hung back to see what would happen. Boss, the white dog in my av, was instantly alert and got into an aggressive posture. The first 'yote walked off into the woods and then the ones further into the woods circled around and made a pass from our rear. Boss went nuts. Probably the most aggressive I have ever seen him. I started yelling at them and we managed to punk them off. Spent the rest of the walk, about 2 miles, looking over our shoulders. Its an 11 mile walk around the lake. I did not plan on walking the enite 11 but I did so I ended up walking about an hour or two in the dead of night. I had no knife. No pepper spray. No pack. No first aid kit. No water. Not even a damn flashlight. I won't be caught slipping like that again. I keep two backpacks prepped for short hikes and long ones.
                                                                            • That must have felt like the longest hour walk ever...lol. glad you guys were ok in the end, but for sure you need to be prepared at all times. I always hike with a stick, a knife and a strong bear spray when in the bigger mountains. However, since my friend almost got attacked in our park andusually there i only have a stick, I am thinking to get a good slingshot on me so that when I see them luring in the distance, I can use it to scare them off. What do you think?
                                                                              • Could just get an american staghound, they won't lure one of them too far. btw castanha, snakes are deaf!
                                                                                • Damn snakes...lol hey Tonedog, how is your big boy doing?
                                                                                  • Awesome! Thanks for asking. A photo from yesterday after slopping around in my pond. Has started using his nose to follow turkeys in thick cover and chased his first wallaby yesterday. I've also started jogging him to get his fitness up. How's Laika going, any new pics?
                                                                                    • Great pic... and funny! He looks strong and healthy! Howold is he now, 4 months? Good to hear about his nose and hunting instinct, I loved to see that developing process in my girl too. Yeah, Laika is doing great! She will be 1 year old in 4 days on Nov 16. I will measure her height and weight and post pictures of her from the time I got her until now. She is driving with us to Vegas this weekend...lol
                                                                                      • [quote1321227000=BossofBoss] [quote1320799423=Castanha] hey bossofboss, i have to agree on that with boars being extremly dangerous, just as much as bears and pumas, if not more. my dog is also a pet/hiking partner, but even though she's never seen a boar, i do excpect of her to know how to bay a boar even without training. my female's blood is designed for boar hunting, so i think her DNA/instinct would kick in automatically without the training, and she'll keep both of us safe. [/quote1320799423] I honestly hope that you keep your dog away from wild boar until she is WELL trained. Boars sometimes move in a herd of nine or twelve. If one gets grabbed often the whole herd will turn on its attacker. Well trained dog with cut vest and cut collars often get killed baying and catching wild boars. I don't even want to wonder what would happen if my untrained, unvested dogs got into with a bad boar. And in Texas some of these boars have been hunted hard their whole lives and they know how to fight a dog. [/quote1321227000] the dogs are trained, it wouldnt be impossible to train your dogs. i have spoken with people that said they had some dogs they didnt start training for hogs until they were a few years old
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