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dog agression

Define dog aggression. And yes.
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    • anybody own a dog that isnt da?
      • Define dog aggression. And yes.
        • basically if yur dog sees another dog it will attack it. it seems like most non fufu dogs are da...im wondering wat molossers are not da
          • Unprovoked display of aggression with hackles up and drama? That's a cur. Nothing to do with breeds.
            • If you put the time into the dog anything can be achieved. Just make sure you socialize your dog as much as possible as early as possible. Last night I walked three male dogs, two of mine (intact) and a fixed e.m. Took them off leash in the park with out a care in the world. The e.m. is a dog I've been training, which 6 mths ago the owners couldn't even have him around Any dog. [br][link={e_FILE}public/1323961136_11706_FT84213_p1040065_1024x768.jpg][img:width=500&height=375]{e_FILE}public/1323961136_11706_FT84213_p1040065_1024x768_.jpg">[/link][br][br][link={e_FILE}public/1323961137_11706_FT84213_p1030249_1024x768.jpg][img:width=500&height=375]{e_FILE}public/1323961137_11706_FT84213_p1030249_1024x768_.jpg">[/link][br]
              • Unprovoked dog agression is just instability and weak nerves in my opinion. My Bernie is intact and he gets along with other males, in fact, I've had three intact males in his own backyard and I never had an issue. I however, do not allow interaction with strange dogs, since most people where I live did not take the time to socialize their dogs properly and rudness in between dogs can start a very quick fight.
                • Here is my 75 pound intact male with my pup http://youtu.be/eSsdXczAdvs Here is my Boy with an intact male staffy in our backyard. http://youtu.be/uOqEERbr8rI
                  • [quote1323975407=Wolf] Unprovoked display of aggression with hackles up and drama? That's a cur. Nothing to do with breeds. [/quote1323975407] i dont know where u got hackles up and drama? it just seems to me that most molossers are da. my female is highly da and will basically attack another dog on sight. my males arent as bad. a while back when i was hiking my 2 males we came across 3 feral dogs. my dogs went after them and caught them but they didnt really fight and he just pinned the dog down. theres was another time wen i was hiking just me and my 1 male and we came across like 7 and they did fight and tried to jump him and i had to come in and kick a few off. my youngest male i could take to a dog park if i wanted...hs friends with a cat! i have 3 dogs and its like each one is da high da medium and da low i guess i should mention i mean with other dogs. i have 2 unaltered males and they get along fine. they have only gotten into it twice in like 5 yrs. my female hos gotten into it with my males a few times as well so go figure.
                    • [QUOTE]Unprovoked dog agression is just instability and weak nerves in my opinion.[/QUOTE] 99.9% of the time it is, but good dogs can have their actual predatory instinct misdirected towards other dogs, and then it's definitely got nothing to do with fear or weak nerves. I've had one genuinely dog aggressive dog when I was a child, badly raised by my dumb dad. When it was fairly young it got confronted by a large rottweiler which it promptly crash tackled and half killed, my dad was so sure my dog would be killed by the rott and so blown away by the spectacle of the rott being completely obliterated by a smaller dog that he praised my dog and congratulated him for his efforts. Something he basically never ever did otherwise, and from then on the dog just wanted to eat dogs (was never socialised at all as well, keep in mind this was the 80s, pretty sure the word socialised and dogs had never been used in the same sentence at that point). It definitely was the most extreme opposite of weak nerves imaginable, but when it saw another dog it wanted to kill it. No hackles, no growling or barking, it just desperately genuinely wanted to get it and kill it, and it would whimper with frustration when it was restrained and prevented from doing so. It treated dogs just exactly like it treated cats and rats and possums and rabbits etc. They were prey. It's very rare for a dog to be like this, however this is how gamebred apbts are manipulated into fighting like they do. To them a fight isn't a test of dominance, there's none of that awkward social aspect, it's just pure and simply trying to kill the other dog as though they were prey. Dogs naturally all perform at a higher less reserved level against prey. However you're basically right, normal dogs that don't view dogs as prey, are inclined to "speak dog language" and be citizens of dogdom, yet are dog aggressive unprovoked, are just nervey and insecure. Most of my dogs (and they were all bull and/or mastiff based) have been totally relaxed around other dogs and not inclined to start anything, even inclined to tolerate a lot more crap from other dogs than you could reasonably expect, and then you would expect from any other kind of dog. Because bull/mastiff type dogs are actually capable they're also the most secure and least liable to feel threatened by aggression from other dogs. It's why cesar milan will often take a pitbull with him to a dog aggressive dog's house to help rehibilitate it.
                      • yeah wen my female was a pup i let my wifes younger brother take her on walks etc wen he would go hang out in the neighborhood. i later found out he had foughtr her with other ppls pits in the neighborhod so that may be why
                        • [quote1323991652=cawkazn] i dont know where u got hackles up and drama? [/quote1323991652] I'm furry and fabulous. No, I just want to make sure that fight "drive" and kill "drive" aren't being used as examples of dog aggression. Confrontational nature and aggressive personality aren't one and the same. The best gamedogs have little to no "dog aggression", just as the best guard dogs, but a good dog will take care of business no matter what. And the more "aggressive" the opponent is, the easier it will be to eliminate.
                          • Wolf wrote: "And the more "aggressive" the opponent is, the easier it will be to eliminate." AMEN! I'm reminded of Viggo Mortenson's character Nikolai in Eastern Promises "Anger makes you do dumb things".
                            • That right there is the truth, in most cases the display of toughness is merely an attempt to prevent a fight from happening. Some Dogs are more vocal than others but a true brawler will go for a grab and hold.
                              • [quote1324007584=Wolf] [quote1323991652=cawkazn] i dont know where u got hackles up and drama? [/quote1323991652] I'm furry and fabulous. No, I just want to make sure that fight "drive" and kill "drive" aren't being used as examples of dog aggression. Confrontational nature and aggressive personality aren't one and the same. The best gamedogs have little to no "dog aggression", just as the best guard dogs, but a good dog will take care of business no matter what. And the more "aggressive" the opponent is, the easier it will be to eliminate. [/quote1324007584] yeah im aware of that...they say the game dogs dont act all crazy on the other side of the fence etc.....im not trying to say my dog is some champion game dog im just describing the way she acts and she will definetly engage but i dont know if shes game cause i have never tested her
                                • [quote1324007940=Crnosrce1] Wolf wrote: "And the more "aggressive" the opponent is, the easier it will be to eliminate." AMEN! I'm reminded of Viggo Mortenson's character Nikolai in Eastern Promises "Anger makes you do dumb things". [/quote1324007940] anger and agression are 2 different things...u can fight agressively without being angry..... in boxing u have got to be agressive. agressive fighters are not easy to beat...i dont mean out of control agressive either. out of control fighters are easy to counter.
                                  • My AB has shown NO Dog Aggression, of course he's still only 19 months so I don't know but he'll even TAKE a lot of shit from other dogs before he even growls and I'm talking at a dog park AND dog beach. I'm enjoying this discussion by the way, it's been pretty quiet around here. Don't know if they're, (ABs), are considered molossers either, LOL. He's also not a little fellow, 24 inches and 85 pounds of muscles. People often ask if he's over 100 pounds but he's a BIG Teddy Bear.[br][link={e_FILE}public/1324013194_18749_FT84213_me__older_butch_july_2011_009.jpg][img:width=500&height=836]{e_FILE}public/1324013194_18749_FT84213_me__older_butch_july_2011_009_.jpg">[/link][br]
                                    • my females da didnt kick in until about 9 months old before that she was fine with other dogs....i tried to socialize her wen she was younger cause i didnt want the da but that didnt work
                                      • Is DA STRICTLY hereditary? Can it be controlled or trained out or whatever? Just curious as I'm SURE I'll PROBABLY have to prepare for it.
                                        • [quote1324051579=cawkazn] anger and agression are 2 different things...u can fight agressively without being angry..... in boxing u have got to be agressive. agressive fighters are not easy to beat...i dont mean out of control agressive either. out of control fighters are easy to counter. [/quote1324051579] That was exactly why I said what I did. I have known game dogs to be "cold" when not being used and it always made me smile when I'd see some thug moron walking a snapping turtle of a dog down the street thinking it was the sh!t. I've also known game dogs never to turn it off, I think its more of a confidence level in the dogs mind, obviously this is in best case scenarios and not the poor animal going through horrendous situations and being traumatized from it.
                                          • Alan, Ofcourse DA can be trained up or trained down in a dog. Mel is a very knowledgable and skilled trainer who will be able to tackle those issues when they arise. It is an inherint trait, it is also due to nature/nuture.
                                            • [quote1324061843=Crnosrce1] Alan, Ofcourse DA can be trained up or trained down in a dog. Mel is a very knowledgable and skilled trainer who will be able to tackle those issues when they arise. It is an inherint trait, it is also due to nature/nuture. [/quote1324061843] i would agree..i think its possible to supress it or at least tone it down....or vice versa
                                              • Boss, the white male bulldog, is not as much dog aggressive as he is "dog dominant" if there is such a term. Boss can deal with other dogs but he can only tolerate so much. I don't think I have ever seen him raise his hackles or do much displaying. Boss has been taught to ignore other dogs. He does a pretty good job at this, He ignores older dogs, likes puppies and tolerates overtly friendly dogs that we happen to run into. But he tends to want to put aggressive large males in "their place." Boss seems to think that, since I named him Boss, that all other males should show him difference. If the dog is not older, overtly friendly or too pushy Boss tends to punk him off. His body will stiffen and he will give the other dog a really, really dirty but oddly calm look. He started doing this when he was about six months old. We where at the park and Boss was sleeping. An off leash dog ran up to about 10 feet from Boss, I was reading and did not see it, and started barking. Boss stood up, made eye contact and very casually starts to stroll in its direction. I snapped the leash to make Boss calm down. Too most people he did not look pissed off but believe me he was. That's why I never go to dog parks. Bunch of off leash dogs running around humping each other and snarling. Ain't no place for my dogs. I guess you could Boss is DA but at a level that I can manage and tolerate. I am not sure about Pattys DA because she seems to follow Boss. If he is cool she is cool. If he is upset she is upset. Honestly I tend to like a bit of fire in the dogs I own.
                                                • [quote1324109580=Crnosrce1] Alan, Ofcourse DA can be trained up or trained down in a dog. Mel is a very knowledgable and skilled trainer who will be able to tackle those issues when they arise. It is an inherint trait, it is also due to nature/nuture. [/quote1324109580] Thanks Mike, I'll look out for the DA. At THIS point my boy Butch loves EVERYBODY but NOW I've resorted to keeping him from being friendly to MOST people and dogs due to the fact that I socialized him THOROUGHLY from abput 2 months and now I want him to try to detect friend versus foe. So at this point nurture has been taken care of, I don't know about nature. I do know he has NO fear of being in crowded places or around other dogs he'd rather PLAY than fight at THIS point so I'll keep my eyes open.
                                                  • [quote1324139757=acamper] [quote1324109580=Crnosrce1] Alan, Ofcourse DA can be trained up or trained down in a dog. Mel is a very knowledgable and skilled trainer who will be able to tackle those issues when they arise. It is an inherint trait, it is also due to nature/nuture. [/quote1324109580] Thanks Mike, I'll look out for the DA. At THIS point my boy Butch loves EVERYBODY but NOW I've resorted to keeping him from being friendly to MOST people and dogs due to the fact that I socialized him THOROUGHLY from abput 2 months and now I want him to try to detect friend versus foe. So at this point nurture has been taken care of, I don't know about nature. I do know he has NO fear of being in crowded places or around other dogs he'd rather PLAY than fight at THIS point so I'll keep my eyes open. [/quote1324139757] u know whats interesting when i think about it.... my youngest male (4 yrs)...he is basically dog friendly....i inever tried to socialize him with other dogs. in fact i kept him away from other dogs because i was happy him and my male got along i didnt want him learning any new behavior from other dogs which could in turn have him behave differently around my other male and possibly trigger fights so i was like if it aint broke dont fix it...well i think this may be why he is dog friendly as the only experience (until recently) he has had with other dogs were the ones he was raised with which were nice to him. and now when i have exposed him to other friendly dogs they get along great. so im guessing maybe never experiencing another dog be extremely aggressive or attack him may be why. he only knows wat he has experienced which is friendliness..i could take him to the dog park even but i dont
                                                    • That's good to hear, sounds like a good theory. Hope it continues to work out for you.
                                                      • [quote1325908295=davidfitness83] That right there is the truth, in most cases the display of toughness is merely an attempt to prevent a fight from happening. Some Dogs are more vocal than others but a true brawler will go for a grab and hold. [/quote1325908295] obviously a dog cant bark when they have a hold.
                                                        • [quote1325908796=Wolf] Unprovoked display of aggression with hackles up and drama? That's a cur. Nothing to do with breeds. [/quote1325908796] by dog agression i meant attack on sight. not unprovoked display of aggression with hackles up and drama. how did u get that from dog aggression? because my dogs are bullies? so they must automatically be everything negative possible? lets not forget that a true dog doesnt make noise and goes straight for a hold and bullies cant do that cause they are bullies. anyways me female displays more of a "let me at'em" or cant wait to get'em......then hackles up drama
                                                          • [quote1325986216=cawkazn] [quote1325908295=davidfitness83] That right there is the truth, in most cases the display of toughness is merely an attempt to prevent a fight from happening. Some Dogs are more vocal than others but a true brawler will go for a grab and hold. [/quote1325908295] obviously a dog cant bark when they have a hold. [/quote1325986216] They can growl ;) play tug of war with your dog and you can hear it growl while biting. That is exactly what I meant. The barkers and tough sounded are insecure dogs lacking social skills and act like that because they want the other dog to Retrieve. A confident dog will not engage a puppy or a submissive dog for no reason. Watch the llantas champion video on YouTube, he is a pit champion and they show him playing with a puppy ;)
                                                            • [quote1325991068=davidfitness83] [quote1325986216=cawkazn] [quote1325908295=davidfitness83] That right there is the truth, in most cases the display of toughness is merely an attempt to prevent a fight from happening. Some Dogs are more vocal than others but a true brawler will go for a grab and hold. [/quote1325908295] obviously a dog cant bark when they have a hold. [/quote1325986216] They can growl ;) play tug of war with your dog and you can hear it growl while biting. That is exactly what I meant. The barkers and tough sounded are insecure dogs lacking social skills and act like that because they want the other dog to Retrieve. A confident dog will not engage a puppy or a submissive dog for no reason. Watch the llantas champion video on YouTube, he is a pit champion and they show him playing with a puppy ;) [/quote1325991068] bark and bite no. bite and growl yes. i was already aware that pit dogs dont make much noise. and loud rowdy dogs are just fronting. thats pretty much common knowledge in the dog educated crowd, which is what this forum is. so im pretty sure just about everyone here was already aware of that. i started this thread because i was wondering if most molossers are da, and it instantly went to my dogs a cur because it was automatically assumed the negative and "hackles up and drama" my dogs are dog agressive. they will basically go after anything, if its an animal, dog cat, horse, cow, coyote, they will go for it. that is one of the reasons im worried of ever coming across a bear, they are my dogs, i know their behavior. if they saw a bear, they never have encountered one and dont know they can hurt them. if they see one, they will go in for a bite and then be ripped to shreds. if given the chance they will attack another dog. are they game pit champions? would they finish the fight killing the other dog? i dont know...and dont want to find out. and that wasnt the question. i go to extreme measures to ensure that when i do walk my dogs off leash it is safe to do and it is a bit of a hassle to do this. the last thing i want to do is have my dog rip up some random persons dog we come across or attack some trail riders horse. back to the original question. my dogs are dog agressive. i was wondering if most other ppl's dogs are as well?
                                                              • I have seen it...but only once.
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