canis panther

Not really impressed with their head shape, they look like Bully Dobermans. http://www.rockofageskennel.info/CanisPantherMales.html

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· cawkazn

· 2012-01-28T05:52:33+0000
what do you guys think of the canis panther?
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· tiger12490

· 2012-01-28T05:53:36+0000
they look solid id love to see one up close and maybe work a little
· unknown

· 2012-01-28T23:37:48+0000
Not really impressed with their head shape, they look like Bully Dobermans. http://www.rockofageskennel.info/CanisPantherMales.html
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· LeeRobinson

· 2012-01-29T01:10:17+0000
I think the breed name is funny. On a more serious note though...Michael Stratton (aka "Gypsy") played a role in the development of the Canis Panther. The "breed" is a VERY defensive breed...nervously defensive in fact...and very Dobermann Pinscher like; however, they have more physical substance than does a Dobermann Pinscher, and they are sharper and due to an imbalance of drive. The breed was developed to work in defense and to lack the prey drive seen in most working dogs...and as a result they are not a very forward or confident dog IMO. Their defensive drives are very fearful in expression. Protective yes, but totally reactive and nervous. I do not care for such dogs myself, but for someone that thinks protection is all defense, all the time...and keeps their dog on leash or muzzled all the time...I suppose these dogs would do well at such. I just believe such dogs tend to be stressed and uncomfortable with conflict or training, so they are not the type of dogs I like. Although Gypsy is an intelligent man, he has some very strange ideas, a chip on his shoulder, and has a lot of propaganda around him...much of which I take STRONG opposition to. I have interviewed the man before...about 10 years ago or so, and that is how I learned more about his propaganda. They guy has a lot of issues. His PPDA organization used to be larger, but due to his ban the bite promotions and his muzzle law promotions his organization pretty much fell apart. Also, many of his trainers were not very knowledgeable or experienced trainers...but despite this many of them referred to themselves as "master trainers" in order to self-promote. Honestly, it was bit disgusting in my opinion. At one time, people from other organizations were on him like flies on cow pies...and to be honest unjustly so in my opinion...as this was PRIOR to his muzzle law promotions and "ban the bite" propaganda. Gypsy knew I was familiar internet as he had seen some of my videos on line from our program, and he sent me some video footage of one of his dogs doing off leash work...asking me to post it to illustrate his program. I felt bad for the guy due to him being so harshly attacked without just cause at THAT TIME...so I made a mistake of helping the guy for a SHORT TIME...taking bits of the video he sent me and I put it up for him..trying to be nice to the guy. But, honestly, I did him a HUGE FAVOR by not putting it all up as I thought a lot of it was very unprofessional. Soon there after though, I decided to take the video back down...for I since I had personal issues with his lack of professionalism, especially his obedience training, I couldn't in good faith associate myself with the guy. In the full video, one could see the dog worked out of fear and was taught with nearly 100% compulsion. This was the FIRST REASON I chose to cut ties with the guy...as I found it disgusting to be honest. So, while I never put the entire video online, as I wasn't interested in bashing the guy...I did take the edited "good stuff" down off the internet. His sales pitch can sound intelligent and contains some truths, but in practice I felt his program really lacks the professionalism I expect from a "professional trainer." I also strongly opposed his "ban the bite" idea. He promoted the idea that all dogs should be muzzled in public. I can NOT support this idea...and was a 2nd reason I lost support for him. In his defense though, he came up with the ban the bite idea/promotion after being maliciously attacked by other protection training groups. His error was responding "across the board" by proposing that all dogs should be muzzled instead of coming up with a response that illustrated the legitimacy of his philosophies or that pointed out errors in his oppositions philosophies. This is when he began promoting a "ban the bite" idea..which led him to the muzzle promotions. Gypsy taught dogs to be "protective" with both muzzles on and off, and he expressed that he could sustain his organization by teaching dogs to be protective with muzzles on. I mentioned that I thought the idea was not logical as a muzzle takes away the main tool a dog has to work as a protection dog. Upon hearing this, he replied with what I considered to be insane...stating muzzles could be designed with "spears" and such. This was one reason why I eventually cut all ties to the guy. That idea just seemed wacked and sick to me. The possibility that one would suggest changing laws (even if they were unsuccessful in doing so) in order to find a way or maintain a way to make a living seemed too self serving for me to support...so this was a 3rd reason why I cut ties with the guy. Now, all that said, I hear he is still doing his thing...so in THAT REGARD...the man has some knowledge and has been able to endure time with protection work. So also IN THAT REGARD...the man deserves some credit even if I do disagree with 3 of his beliefs.
· unknown

· 2012-01-29T03:06:14+0000
I would still choose a American Sentinel over a Canis Panther and a Vorax over an American Sentinel lol
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· cawkazn

· 2012-01-29T04:35:22+0000
what is a vorax?
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· cawkazn

· 2012-01-30T05:12:19+0000
[quote1327900325=LeeRobinson] I think the breed name is funny. On a more serious note though...Michael Stratton (aka "Gypsy") played a role in the development of the Canis Panther. The "breed" is a VERY defensive breed...nervously defensive in fact...and very Dobermann Pinscher like; however, they have more physical substance than does a Dobermann Pinscher, and they are sharper and due to an imbalance of drive. The breed was developed to work in defense and to lack the prey drive seen in most working dogs...and as a result they are not a very forward or confident dog IMO. Their defensive drives are very fearful in expression. Protective yes, but totally reactive and nervous. I do not care for such dogs myself, but for someone that thinks protection is all defense, all the time...and keeps their dog on leash or muzzled all the time...I suppose these dogs would do well at such. I just believe such dogs tend to be stressed and uncomfortable with conflict or training, so they are not the type of dogs I like. Although Gypsy is an intelligent man, he has some very strange ideas, a chip on his shoulder, and has a lot of propaganda around him...much of which I take STRONG opposition to. I have interviewed the man before...about 10 years ago or so, and that is how I learned more about his propaganda. They guy has a lot of issues. His PPDA organization used to be larger, but due to his ban the bite promotions and his muzzle law promotions his organization pretty much fell apart. Also, many of his trainers were not very knowledgeable or experienced trainers...but despite this many of them referred to themselves as "master trainers" in order to self-promote. Honestly, it was bit disgusting in my opinion. At one time, people from other organizations were on him like flies on cow pies...and to be honest unjustly so in my opinion...as this was PRIOR to his muzzle law promotions and "ban the bite" propaganda. Gypsy knew I was familiar internet as he had seen some of my videos on line from our program, and he sent me some video footage of one of his dogs doing off leash work...asking me to post it to illustrate his program. I felt bad for the guy due to him being so harshly attacked without just cause at THAT TIME...so I made a mistake of helping the guy for a SHORT TIME...taking bits of the video he sent me and I put it up for him..trying to be nice to the guy. But, honestly, I did him a HUGE FAVOR by not putting it all up as I thought a lot of it was very unprofessional. Soon there after though, I decided to take the video back down...for I since I had personal issues with his lack of professionalism, especially his obedience training, I couldn't in good faith associate myself with the guy. In the full video, one could see the dog worked out of fear and was taught with nearly 100% compulsion. This was the FIRST REASON I chose to cut ties with the guy...as I found it disgusting to be honest. So, while I never put the entire video online, as I wasn't interested in bashing the guy...I did take the edited "good stuff" down off the internet. His sales pitch can sound intelligent and contains some truths, but in practice I felt his program really lacks the professionalism I expect from a "professional trainer." I also strongly opposed his "ban the bite" idea. He promoted the idea that all dogs should be muzzled in public. I can NOT support this idea...and was a 2nd reason I lost support for him. In his defense though, he came up with the ban the bite idea/promotion after being maliciously attacked by other protection training groups. His error was responding "across the board" by proposing that all dogs should be muzzled instead of coming up with a response that illustrated the legitimacy of his philosophies or that pointed out errors in his oppositions philosophies. This is when he began promoting a "ban the bite" idea..which led him to the muzzle promotions. Gypsy taught dogs to be "protective" with both muzzles on and off, and he expressed that he could sustain his organization by teaching dogs to be protective with muzzles on. I mentioned that I thought the idea was not logical as a muzzle takes away the main tool a dog has to work as a protection dog. Upon hearing this, he replied with what I considered to be insane...stating muzzles could be designed with "spears" and such. This was one reason why I eventually cut all ties to the guy. That idea just seemed wacked and sick to me. The possibility that one would suggest changing laws (even if they were unsuccessful in doing so) in order to find a way or maintain a way to make a living seemed too self serving for me to support...so this was a 3rd reason why I cut ties with the guy. Now, all that said, I hear he is still doing his thing...so in THAT REGARD...the man has some knowledge and has been able to endure time with protection work. So also IN THAT REGARD...the man deserves some credit even if I do disagree with 3 of his beliefs. [/quote1327900325] yeah i agree some of that stuff sounds like nonsense. muzzles with spears?!?!
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· cawkazn

· 2012-01-30T05:13:10+0000
good looking dog to me http://www.rockofageskennel.info/CanisPantherMales/jrinequipment.jpg vid, looks pretty athletic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYHTfC8F6sc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRywtWkXBiI
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· Tonedog

· 2012-01-30T08:22:53+0000
[QUOTE]Upon hearing this, he replied with what I considered to be insane...stating muzzles could be designed with "spears" and such. This was one reason why I eventually cut all ties to the guy. That idea just seemed wacked and sick to me.[/QUOTE] lol. You might be surprised to know this has actually been a thing in real life before. In fact a very significant chapter in "bandog" history. The final chapter of the original "book". In the 1800s/early 1900s the role of the gameskeeper's night dog was heavily under fire, and their use was starting to fall out of favour with landowners and the law, as being maimed by a dog started to seem like a pretty heavy price to pay for poaching a rabbit or two. The whole idea of the "king's forrest" with his precious animals the peasants shan't dare touch seemed a bit outdated and yet gameskeepers were still setting exceedingly formidable dogs onto poachers and letting them savage them. Pressure to do away with the use of night dogs started to build and in their death throws the gameskeepers came up with some pretty crazy ideas to try and cling onto their tradition. One such idea was indeed muzzling the dogs with steel muzzles, and training them to use the muzzles as weapons- running in and hitting the man with their muzzled muzzle to knock him down. This is also where the fairy tale of bullmastiffs having the instinct to merely sit on bad guys and not bite them arose, it's not true at all but gameskeepers were spreading all sorts of crap to try and get the public on side with the continuation of the gameskeeper's night dog. It didn't work and the role was largely abolished, just in time for the last night dogs to parent the purebred show dog strain we know today as the bullmastiff. But before it was abolished, for a couple of decades at least, the "conscientious" and "responsible" gameskeepers were doing things the "correct" way and setting only muzzled dogs onto perpetrators.
· unknown

· 2012-01-30T14:24:30+0000
[quote1327933414=cawkazn] good looking dog to me http://www.rockofageskennel.info/CanisPantherMales/jrinequipment.jpg vid, looks pretty athletic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYHTfC8F6sc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRywtWkXBiI [/quote1327933414] How would rank them with breeds like the Bandog, Alaunt, Serbian Defense Dog ect?
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· cawkazn

· 2012-01-31T06:30:08+0000
[quote1327991393=KeyserSoze] [quote1327933414=cawkazn] good looking dog to me http://www.rockofageskennel.info/CanisPantherMales/jrinequipment.jpg vid, looks pretty athletic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYHTfC8F6sc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRywtWkXBiI [/quote1327933414] How would rank them with breeds like the Bandog, Alaunt, Serbian Defense Dog ect? [/quote1327991393] i dont get what you mean?
· unknown

· 2012-01-31T06:43:31+0000
in order
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· cawkazn

· 2012-02-01T04:02:00+0000
i dunno...dont know much about the dogs other then what i read about them and the pics I have seen of them.

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