[quote=davidn3]I also was kind of looking at the e-collar. My 9 month old bullmastiff pup likes to test me, which I think is normal.[/quote]
NO, that AIN'T "NORMAL", davidn3. Dogs "challenge" their
owners or other dogs ONLY when they're AFRAID. The
entire alphalpha duminance THEORY is SHEER IDIOCY.
[quote=davidn3] But the problem sometimes is when he doesn't have his prong collar or lead on.[/quote]
You mean, when he AIN'T AFRAID of you HURTIN him?
[quote=davidn3] For example -- If he happens to have something I don't want him to have and I tell him to drop it -- If he has his prong collar on he will, but if not he will want to test me and try to play keep away.[/quote]
You COULD TRAIN HIM to COME EVERY TIME and DROP
or BRING YOU ANY THING on your 1st request, IF YOU
I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
(just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
want to push and test me a little bit more).
For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
(Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
[quote=davidn3] I don't let him win,[/quote]
HOWE do you suppHOWES THAT might effect his
PROTECTION TRAININ, davidn3? Of curse, you
may not be interested in protection trainin, but
that's not all "not letting him win" will effect.
Don't you want a CONFIDENT dog, a dog who
AIN'T AFRAID of NUTHIN?
ALL temperament and behavior problems are
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. If you want to see
some EXXXAMPLES of this, just visit cesar
millan's website. There you'll find a HUGE
preponderance of dogs who FEAR THUNDE,
have separation anxiety, and are HYPERACTIVE
as a DIRECT RESULT of alphalpha duminance
IN FACT, a recent recipient of cesar's LIFE
SAVING methods, an English Bulldog named
Butch DIED of a heart attack from constantly
"challenging" and being alphalpha rolled as
the ces instructed. I'll post a link to the video
and my reviews of his "LIFE SAVING TECHNIQUES":
cesar's way: RIP Butch:
[quote=davidn3]I eventually get a hold of him and put his prong collar on. At that time he is an angel because he knows he is in trouble. We will go through a series of commands until he is listening to everything I say.[/quote]
Your PUPPY is goin through the so called "adolescent rebelliHOWES
stage" identified by Scott & Fuller as a developmental period at
8-9 months of age. HOWEver, what Scott & Fuller DIDN'T REALIZE,
is, that the 'adolescent rebelliHOWES STAGE' DOESN'T HAPPEN if
the dog AIN'T BEING CHALLENGED.
These developmental stages occur again at 18-24 months and
five years of age, which coincidentally COINcide with the ages
many dogs are MURDERED for TURNING on their owners.
[quote=davidn3]Would this type of situation be a time for the e-collar? or should I just keep being persistent and not let him get away with that kind of stuff?[/quote]
No, you should FORGET EVERY THING you've been TAUGHT by
the self-professed dog trainers who jerk choke bribe crate shock
and intimidate innocent defenseless dumb critters and are AFRAID
to DEFEND THEMSELVES when THEY'RE CHALLENGED by the SCIENCE
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