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Breed or Train for a job

Actually Jess. It is a bit different with dogs.  You see for the most part our current crop of dogs are bred to do something.. they herd, retrieve, guard, hunt varmints, protect property and flock, and provide companionship.  So my point is that if the need is for a dog to hunt varmints .. get a terrier.. that is what they were bred and developed to do.. need a dog to go in the bush and fetch your bird- get a retriever. Need a dog to protect you and  your stuff... get a guardian.. so the closer you get to the desired traits that you want you can better modify the behavior with training. For instance, if I wanted a dog to retrieve my birds I would not use a chihuahua or a Neapolitan Mastiff.  Can you train them to do that - yes - but that is not what they were bred for and if the Chi gets eaten by a snake and the Neo eats your bird .. you can't blame them..

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  • it is my opinion that the inherent instincts of the dog is far more important than the training of the dog. Training is used to modify behaviors to suit our individual needs but is not as effective as selecting a dog that is genetically wired to do what we want. What say you?

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    • I must agree. Instincts is far more important than training. Training is good and necessary. I can train a dog to do many things. But if a dog is more genetically prone to do a specific job it will be better suited to do that job especially with training. 

       

      If you want to hunt get a dog that was bred to hunt. If you need a retriever get a do the is bred to retrieve. If you need a guardian the best dog to use is a dog that is a guardian nature. 

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    • Agree but dont underestimate a good leader and training because a dog will never suit your individual needs when there is no stable leadership

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      • Totally agree with you Des.

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      • Depends on what your looking to get out of your dog. If it is just a house dog, sure. But if you are looking for a animal to have your back in every aspect, then you Have to train the animal. Just like with humans one needs to be educated and taught to preform a job properly, it is no different with dogs.

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        • Actually Jess. It is a bit different with dogs.  You see for the most part our current crop of dogs are bred to do something.. they herd, retrieve, guard, hunt varmints, protect property and flock, and provide companionship.  So my point is that if the need is for a dog to hunt varmints .. get a terrier.. that is what they were bred and developed to do.. need a dog to go in the bush and fetch your bird- get a retriever. Need a dog to protect you and  your stuff... get a guardian.. so the closer you get to the desired traits that you want you can better modify the behavior with training. For instance, if I wanted a dog to retrieve my birds I would not use a chihuahua or a Neapolitan Mastiff.  Can you train them to do that - yes - but that is not what they were bred for and if the Chi gets eaten by a snake and the Neo eats your bird .. you can't blame them..

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          • This is a fascinating discussion that I think is worth continuing.  It takes into account the functional application of breeds yo the specific roles.

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            • Gary,

              I agree get the correct breed for the job first. Then secondary comes the training if wanting to train.

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              • ".... if wanting to teain"  that is indeed a very good point. Many of us who really know dogs understand that training is necessary to reinforce the desired behavior already inherent in the do . 

                Thanks for the reply. 

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              • Sure selecting a breed that was bred for a specific task sure does hedge in your favor. But to do a job well, you need to practice. 

                Anyone can shoot a gun, but one puts in the work to be a sharp shooter.

                Dogs are the same, of course genetics sure do help. But someone who wants a dog to retrieve teaches the dog the task. If you want a dog to do nosework, you teach them. Bitework, you aren't teaching them the action they know it. But you are teaching them when to and for how long as well as when to recall. 

                 

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                • This is so true. I all the years that I have been training dogs I have never taught a dog to sit, down, etc. I have taught them to to respond to my body language, gestures, voice, etc. The dog instinctively knows how to sit and lay down. I have taught them to respond to my cues to stop a carjacking, kidnapping, home invasion, perimeter protection. I have taught them to release a bite upon my request or demand. 

                  I have a couple of Patterdale Terriers. I don’t teach them to hunt, climb or tunnel. But I do teach them to respond to me to climb, tunnel, etc.

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