Just to be clear I'm not taking sides or putting anyone down for thier choice of training method. I'm making a comment about those that do :wink: I do find it amusing that some claim because a dog only takes an exposed sleeve in shutzhund that it a one trick pony. A dog trained, properly excuting a blind search is look for the "trigger" to take the bite. The trigger is the movement of the helper NOT the sleeve. Practical application - One of the women in our club had to rush her hubbie off to the Hospital when he complained of chest pain. (Fortunately, it was his gall blatter) On her return home her garage door was open and door to the house was open. In her panic over her husband she couldn't remember if she left it open or not. She got her Sh. III Malinious from the kennel and had the dog search the house. No problem found. I know that dog and I have every confidence it would have grabbed anyone moving in that house. My point being that maybe no enough credit is given to Shuzhund work. That said PP work does offer great training options by offering different "Looks" for the team. In the end it still gets down to the team and the dog taking proper direction, with constant proofing. We all can learn from each other. One neat "trick" I learned visiting a PP trial was the "toe tap" signal. 8) 8) 8)