[quote]Yes, but if the point is to "recreate" the bull and terrier dogsd of England it would be much better to start with original components. A "Heide Terrier [Jaghd Terrier crossed into a working Airdale) doesn't necessarily have long hair. Check out the following website: The Working Airedale Terrier website http://xsorbit26.com/users5/traditionalworkingairedaleterrier/index.php?topic=83.0 I have selected a thread concerning this mix. Hint: these dogs did not have the wavy or broken coat. Cross that back with a Patterdale and you'll probably be as close to whatever little demon was crossed into the working Bulldog at the time. There is a strain of working Airedale being bred by[/quote] Yes sir, i whole heartedly agree that some jagdt and airedales dont, being the red line style of airedale has no wiring, but i believe a tiny bit of a beard to its face and thats all. My idea, and i will say this, that if it doesnt happen within the next 5 yrs, i WILL do this, by crossing a great ab, like Vinays dog baine, to a female BRT, youd end up with, i think, the epitome of an all around dog, very trainable, very protective, very tough dog who should be about 95-105 lbs full grown, being more than enough dog for most peoples requirements. And talk about drive, if you use the correct ab lines, they themselves have more heart than needed by most people, and to cross it with a dog like the brt, who is a GIANT terrier, being ALL heart, they will have the abilities to be excellent PP dogs,sport dog, drovers, and i willing to bet they can be trained to be lgd. They may not bond to the flock as a sar or co would, but damn, theyd be nice to watch. And man, i mean they will have a great movement, as watching bullies for years run and jump, its like watchig miniature deer run, no wasted movments or effort. And seing a few BRT go, its quite similar, cept they have more of that IM ON THE LOOSE, EVERYONE SHOULD SEE ME thing going on. I think that this is a crossing that should be done, deserves to be done, and if nobody else will, ill do it. My reason for doing this wouldnt necesarily be to create a new breed or anything like that, but to make an all around great utility style dog that should excell in this country, as many of the great dogs here get used incorrectly, and are earning undeserved reputations. Mike