[quote=buldog]i would have to say that crossing an ab to a jagdt or patt would be great, but since both carry the wire haired gene, Mike[/quote] Mike, I had crossed a APBT (patricks pure blood) with a Patterdale and the F1 still looks like a pure Apbt but with small size , around 18 kg and with smooth fur.This dog apbt x patterdale had crossed to a APBT (back cross) and the result was all litters carring the wire haired gene. And for that reason in that time i deleted the line. The F1 50/50 had more stamina and agility than a pure APBT.I will search for some old pictures in my data base to show here this dog.