[quote=buldog]i would have to say that crossing an ab to a jagdt or patt would be great, but since both carry the wire haired gene, and being a pit is smooth coated, not gonna work. In temper and physicall yes, but not the actuall look. I think if you cross a good game EBT from ireland or scotland or serbia, youd have a closer idea to what the ""fresh"" pit terrier was. Id actually lean towards a painter/margentina dog over the soctt, as they have a great deal more pit in them, hence being closer to what your striving for. Id also like to see the ab crossed into say a airedale or a BRT, THAT would give you a high quality all around farm style dog, that will not only have all the guts and determination and physicall abilities to overcome anything, but they will bond ridiculously strong to the owner, and be highly protective and trainable.... Im really really starting to like this idea, and i HOPE somebodey does this combo, NOW!!!! Mike[/quote] Yes, but if the point is to "recreate" the bull and terrier dogsd of England it would be much better to start with original components. A "Heide Terrier [Jaghd Terrier crossed into a working Airdale) doesn't necessarily have long hair. Check out the following website: The Working Airedale Terrier website http://xsorbit26.com/users5/traditionalworkingairedaleterrier/index.php?topic=83.0 I have selected a thread concerning this mix. Hint: these dogs did not have the wavy or broken coat. Cross that back with a Patterdale and you'll probably be as close to whatever little demon was crossed into the working Bulldog at the time. There is a strain of working Airedale being bred by