[quote=NickP]Thanks for your positive support but if it wasn't for the AKC and similar org's breeding for looks then many people would not have to try and reproduce a abile dog[/quote] The battle cry of the Mutt owner :roll: So instead of working to better a breed your going to create a mutt litter? That mentality one of the bigest problems in dogs today. People that are not objective about thier own dogs. They can not or will not spend the time & money to breed the best examples of thier breed. There nothing wrong with being proud about one's dog, it's another thing to breed it due to pride.