[quote1325991068=davidfitness83] [quote1325986216=cawkazn] [quote1325908295=davidfitness83] That right there is the truth, in most cases the display of toughness is merely an attempt to prevent a fight from happening. Some Dogs are more vocal than others but a true brawler will go for a grab and hold. [/quote1325908295] obviously a dog cant bark when they have a hold. [/quote1325986216] They can growl ;) play tug of war with your dog and you can hear it growl while biting. That is exactly what I meant. The barkers and tough sounded are insecure dogs lacking social skills and act like that because they want the other dog to Retrieve. A confident dog will not engage a puppy or a submissive dog for no reason. Watch the llantas champion video on YouTube, he is a pit champion and they show him playing with a puppy ;) [/quote1325991068] bark and bite no. bite and growl yes. i was already aware that pit dogs dont make much noise. and loud rowdy dogs are just fronting. thats pretty much common knowledge in the dog educated crowd, which is what this forum is. so im pretty sure just about everyone here was already aware of that. i started this thread because i was wondering if most molossers are da, and it instantly went to my dogs a cur because it was automatically assumed the negative and "hackles up and drama" my dogs are dog agressive. they will basically go after anything, if its an animal, dog cat, horse, cow, coyote, they will go for it. that is one of the reasons im worried of ever coming across a bear, they are my dogs, i know their behavior. if they saw a bear, they never have encountered one and dont know they can hurt them. if they see one, they will go in for a bite and then be ripped to shreds. if given the chance they will attack another dog. are they game pit champions? would they finish the fight killing the other dog? i dont know...and dont want to find out. and that wasnt the question. i go to extreme measures to ensure that when i do walk my dogs off leash it is safe to do and it is a bit of a hassle to do this. the last thing i want to do is have my dog rip up some random persons dog we come across or attack some trail riders horse. back to the original question. my dogs are dog agressive. i was wondering if most other ppl's dogs are as well?