[quote] hey Tonedog, you're WAY past due to pst pics of your boy!!![/quote] Did you see the pic and video I posted just the other day? Anyway I'll post them and some others from the same day- Vids- [url]http://s48.photobucket.com/albums/f231/gun_bullety/?action=view¤t=video-2012-02-13-10-35-57.mp4[/url] [url]http://s48.photobucket.com/albums/f231/gun_bullety/?action=view¤t=video-2012-02-13-11-07-47.mp4[/url] Might be hard to understand what's going on in that second vid (even seem a bit disturbing like he's drowning) but what he's done is try to "fetch" a stick that's attached to a branch that's attached to a whole tree that's underwater. Lol, so he's struggling and struggling swimming trying to pull on it until eventually the stick breaks off. He drops it when he reaches the edge and shakes. [QUOTE]btw, there was an interesting post on another board regarding bandogs and the crosses that it involves. somebody asked why not use the bull terrier instead of the pit, and every one answered that there is no way it would work. for me, i couldn't help thinking about the bull arab and how great the breed is eventhough the bull terrier was used in the mix. [/quote] Funny you say that cause a discussion at the moment on a forum I'm at is talking about the "myth" of the ebt being inferior, how it's really not true. Here's some of my posts from it- [QUOTE]I'm so glad ebts finally get the love in the online dog community that they deserve. Back when I first started online I was kind of surprised and offended to see everyone shitting on them as useless ruined show breeds, when I knew even though basically yeah I guess they technically are, they're generally pretty damn far from that in reality. I think they're more consistently serious animals than pitbulls, even if only in their mind and drives. Never ever met an ebt that wasn't as hard as nails and intensely enthusiastic about proving it to anyone or thing that doubted it. I think everyone just had no experience with them and in theory they should be bad, they started as a designer dog pushed by a snake oil salesmen, eventually were outcompeted in the pits, and have since been bred to look funny for the show ring. They should suck, but they just don't. I'm not sure the accepted story is all that true btw, the fact that the fighting "pit" bull-terriers in india and pakistan are ebts, in australia we didn't hear of a pitbull or staffy until the late 80s... it seems to me these are pretty strong clues that ebts weren't immediately unsuccessful, you know it seems for a good portion of the 1800s ebts must have been THE fighting dog in england as well, because that's the one they were taking with them around the world to use in pit fights and bear baits and whatever else. It was evidently outcompeted after a significant reign IMO, and in the very late 1800s maybe even early 1900s.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]That's the other one too, africa. I mentioned subcontinental asia and australia, but ebts were THE bullterrier of colonial africa as well. Does anyone see what I mean how this all points to ebts being more than a flash in the pan failed attempt at a fighting dog? They obviously reined as THE bull terrier of choice for "sporting pursuits" for a while in england in order to be the bull terrier they took with them every where. For a significant portion of the 1800s the ebt must have been the dominating "pit" bull terrier, it seems it actually must have outcompeted the staff type, because we know england earlier had a staff type, and that in ireland they still had a staff type, earlier the british had taken a staff type to the americas, etc etc. But the in the 1800s in england it seems the hinks type was being favoured in england (and their extended colonial empire) should a bear need a good biting, or a dog need fighting, or a bull need to be lugged up. Since then they've been outcompeted as the top dog, but I think only from american staff types (apbts) coming back all amped up on american freedom or something, not by the staff types in britain which it seems to me were actually outcompeted by the ebt. I know the accepted story says otherwise, but the actual real clues don't. Why was the ebt the bull terrier that wound up chewing on bears in pakistan and catching scrub cattle in australia and fighting off hyenas and shit in africa? Not a staff type to be seen until the sbt show dog showed up and later the american pitbull terrier?[/QUOTE] Regardless, even if ebts were ruined it's also a myth to suggest you can't make great hybrids out of ruined purebreeds. Even english bulldogs could and do contribute to great working hybrids. A lot of people overthink it, have too many preconcieved ideas of what SHOULD work and why in a cross, real hap-hazard trial and error typically proves all their theories wrong.