Igmuska, I believe ur last comment was aimed at me. I said it before and ill say it again, im done argueing over whos the best fighting dog B S, end of story! MY whole reply was to say jus how IGNORANT it is for people to match dogs that are so blatently out of eachothers weight range, and y the bigger isnt always the better! Also, it was to show that pitties, and all dogs for that matter, have limitations that they just cannot surpass at times! THATS all i was trying to say, maybe i shoulda specified or cleared it up some more so people wouldnt think this will turn into yet another never ending river flowing with B S spewing from all angles!!!!! Hope this wasnt to harsh and i hope u dont take it as me tearing into u, as im not. Im jus tryin to clear up my point of veiw. :wink: Danny, Im completely and 100% with u on ur last post, and as always u hit the nail right square on the head! Great post and great points made!! :D Mike