Just my opinion: There are presa's that are dogo's and there are dogo's that are presa's! I believe there are true DOGO's, that are a seperate breed from Presa's in general, Im talkin about these dogs that produce nothing but 19 inch 150lbs bow-legged dogs and try to past them off. According to standard is all I have to go off, and bow-legged is not in the standard. Many people will say DOGO's dont work, were bred for the show ring, no type regard for health and things of that nature. I think I understand why people believe that and its because Presa's were originally bred to be weary of strangers, and the presa's have 22-25in standard for females but you can find 19inch dams all over the internet. I think thats what keeps this dogo/presa fire lit. Im prettty damn sure that the most PUREST presa has thrown midget pups, but its a matter of breeding choices. DOGO/PRESA is not a slap to the face of any dog but I would rather say its to seperate PEOPLE that really want to help the breed or just make money for the breed. I think the debate is overrated and just misunderstood because people never talk things out, where voices can be heard. Its really easy to misunderstand or take the wrong way someones written message. But now that the midgets are called DOGO's to some, what do we call these huge Monstrosities of dogs being called presa's? 160lbs, 180lbs, 200lbs + dogs that are 29, 30 inches still bearing the presa name with disqaulifyin coats, and eye colors and more. I wish some real reps from each "groupo" can get together and come to common grounds because with these two groups, we are leaving a big gap for these BYB's to come in and sell crap and call them either! HAVE A NICE DAY!