just updating everybody on this since havent been on in a while this project was put on hold due to some agression issues with the ebt he became very dog agressive killing a female beagle he had hunted and just played around the yard with many times he just snapped and killed her before I could get there and injured another dog after that so he was relocated to a only dog home I did not want to breed a dog in my project that would possibly bring some bad agression issues to a crossing that has that potential anyway so he was relocated and now I am looking for a better suited replacement anyway just letting everyone know a update I will keep you up to date on the progress.......................................... Great picture of the cross I was very curious as to what they would look like (I know they will vary in looks) even though I am NOT at all going for looks but working ability nice to know what to expect be great if you could PM me some more info on that dog if you have any it is the first of this cross I have seen or heard of Thanks to all who replied and to anyone interested in possible pups and anyone curious how I am going about judging the outcome I am keeping the whole litter this first breeding to see how they work before I let any go to outside homes if they make what I am looking for I will let one or 2 go to local guys that will work them and work them hard but with a breeding contract where I keep breeding rights and then make the cross again and more than likely do the same process and then start on the f2 crosses and so on then add or take away patt or bull blood as I go any advise is always welcome never learn to much this is just my base plan I am sure there are holes any ideas are great I considered adding a little jagd terrier and/or beagle down the line for added nose my goal is a dog that suites me nobody else may care for it but it will be what I want Thanks Tony