Hello again, I have to say that this subject is becoming more interesting day by day and that is what I realy wanted to see and I'm glad that this is finaly happening. If I said that I agree with what Wolf or Zeljko have written about Sarplaninac, I ment only on subject of "aboriginal dogs" that I started on this forum. This is not supposed to mean that I was taken by "the knowledge and eloquence of Wolf" as you wrote Sharman, because we all are different persons and are haveing mind of our own (especialy me being a crazy Serbian). Many things that I have red in "breed profiles" of listed Balkan dogs (Sarplaninacs in the first place) are not clear to me. I had intention to ask Wolf number of questions trough the option of private messages on this web site but, since more people are getting involved in this story, I'll do that on this forum, so everybody who is interested in Sarplaninac could (and should) see that. Problem (question) that in this moment comes to mind first (and you mentioned it Sharman), is about "karaman" (black) Sarplaninacs. I have proof (pictures taken last year, soon will be on picture galerie here) that region of Macedonia, called Patiska Reka, is inhabited by some extremly courageous and beautyfull black dogs. These dogs were jelously guarded by villagers there for generations, because of their superb characteristics. There is one old black male. Stories are that he killed bear all by him self. I wont say that this is true but, I saw him and I can tell you that he is one hell of a dog! He is 14 years old now (he was still fertile in 13-th!) and fast as a wind. So, the fact is that there are black dogs in Macedonia, but if they are not Sarplaninacs, what are they? One more thing is bothering me, if they are Sarplaninacs how come that they are excluded in standard written by Prof. Pavlovic?