[quote1326429475=Tonedog] I don't think it's that extreme of a level of thickness. You have to understand the boxer and ambull and alano and etc (and english bulldog for that matter) were all the same dog not too long ago. It's just that these different breeds went in different directions in accordance with the whims of their breeders. The boxer just happened to go in a racey direction with an extremely f'd up muzzle, but it's ancestors were just like the ambull's ancestors, and etc, so it's not such a big deal to breed them back towards that direction of being more solid in the body. Mind you I'm not convinced european boxer breeders have done more than that, more than just getting back some sturdiness/durability/etc by favouring the aesthetic appearance of more solid muscular dogs. I think european boxers are still essentially just as ruined as boxers from elsewhere, just not as lean, which really to me was the last remaining strength of the boxer as a breed- it's athleticism. [/quote1326429475] what would be the short cut to breeding the "back" outcrossing