Bvl [QUOTE]Double coat like Anatolians have do well in very hot conditions and really cold cimates and even can handle snow. Many CAO types could fit the bill. [/QUOTE] What possible service could these dogs provide you? Are you taking a dog out there just to sit with you and endure the temperature? Because that's all they'll be good for. Didn't you start the thread about everything here coming back to LGDs and it being annoying? I feel like you just plagiarised that criticism from me btw, and when I made it, it was because of posts like this one you just made. Someone will ask "what would the ideal dog be to catch a rabbit" and someone will be like "I've heard of a sarplaninac killing a rabbit, so I think they would be ideal", what the? Some threads have to not feature LGDs, please, and this would be one of them since he didn't mention anything about taking a herd of goats out with him that would need to be watched while he was in his log cabin making raccoon hats (and who knows how he got his hands on a racoon with only LGDs to help him, maybe bought the racoon from the chinese food market before heading out). [QUOTE]I mention that, as black people are by far lesser negatively affected by sun than the white people. But again coat cannot be compared with skin and I guess a totally smooth coated black dog is easier affected by very hot weather and simply gets "hotter" and will overheat faster than an ambull for example.[/QUOTE] As I mentioned, coat is not the huge factor for canine heat tolerance that we assume it is as people who put coats on to cover our cooling systems. You mention an ambull as being especially heat tolerant because it's white and short coated, but actually ambulls have one of the worst heat tolerances. The lean rangey performance types with their longer muzzles are not so bad, but the big bulky short nosed ambulls are about as bad at tolerating heat as a dog can be. A husky is considerably better. Bulk and size heats a dog up faster than anything else, and most american bulldogs these days (as opposed to real farm bulldogs) look like they're jacked up on steroids. Also the dog's cooling system is it's mouth and tongue and nose, all that area is wet and then the evaporation off it is what cools the animal down. It also helps with enduring the cold, as the air is heated by nose before entering the body. Basically the bigger and longer this area is, the better the dog can regulate it's body temperatures. Then like I said in the heat you don't want too much bulk, in the cold you don't want too little. Ambulls aren't well suited for the hot or the cold. Boerboels neither. People often think of boerboels when they think of great heat tolerance, like surely an african mastiff would have unreal heat tolerance, but no they don't. Certainly not the giant boerboels bred by "boerboel breeders". The real 90 lbs boerboels aka bullmastiffs bred by farmers aren't too bad, but the 150 lbs boerboels people have sitting in their yard which they boast about having great heat tolerance would roast to death in minutes exerting themselves in a hot climate. There's no magic "heat tolerance" pixie dust sprinkled on some dogs and not others, if you're a big bulky dog you don't have great heat tolerance, I don't care if you come from the deserts of death valley, you've evidently been relaxing in the shade while there. If you also have a short muzzle you really definitely do not have good heat tolerance. As for black coats vs white coats... I've seen communities of boardoggers ask this question of if black dogs tolerate heat less well than other dogs, and it's pretty much a unanimous no. It just doesn't seem to be the case, and they should know as their dogs are running, truly expending themselves in the hot tropical sun all the time, and frankly overheating to death with some regularity. Lots of the successful surviving dogs are black. It's not a coat colour that isn't favoured. There's really no identifiable correlation. Now I do think the tan with a black mask type coat has to be probably slightly better for heat tolerance, but it's a very negligible difference if there is one. Much more significant are things like size and bulk and muzzle. Cawkazn [QUOTE]how good would a pariah type dog be for helping you? thai ridgeback maybe? I just thought to myself perhaps the best type dog for this situation would be something veral similiar to the feral dogs in my area but that would be more based off the dog simply surviving in the wild vs benefiting the human as these feral dogs are mostly scavengers although i do see them hunting sometimes.[/QUOTE] Yeah I take back what I said about primitive dogs being ideal, for some stupid reason I was imagining the dogs needing to independently survive in the wild which makes no sense. If this was the case primitive pariahs like thai ridgebacks and etc all the way hands down, but since it isn't the case such dogs are not ideal at all. They won't help you anywhere near as outstandingly as more modern dogs. A pet lab would serve you better honestly. Modern dogs have been evolving to excel in assisting man, and the fact is you can take a modern non hunting dog like a border collie hunting and it will actually help you find and catch more animals than some primitive actual hunting dog like a basenji would. Believe it or not, I know this to be a reality proven through extensive trial and error. I would definitely think collie blood should be high on the list of breeds to be incorporated in this mongrel. They're super intelligent as we all know and also enthusiastic to work for you and to help you all day every day. They'll also stay alive and avoid injuries, and they will add this quality to a cross too. Heat tolerance is a bigger issue than cold tolerance honestly, any normal sort of dog is going to tolerate cold temperatures better than you, but not many if any dogs can tolerate heat better than you. But like I said searching for some magical desert dog to tolerate the heat isn't necessary, you just need a dog that's not too big and bulky, and has some decent surface area in it's mouth, through a longish muzzle. You know, when I think about it this has all been done by americans back in the forming years of your great country- they produced the staghound. It's a sighthound based mongrel, predominantly greyhound/deerhound but with collie, terriers, bullbreeds/mastiffs and scenthounds in there as well. It's going to be the most handy dog for someone trying to survive off the land by a good margin. You could recreate the wheel, and your recreation might be great, but yeah it's been done. It's already there if you want it.