[quote=maximus]Dear Sir I am inclined to believe that my dog actually enjoys been wrestled.[/quote] Watching my 3 CO living inside very big yard as pack during 14 years I foud that till become very old they spent houres during nights playing. Playing alwais was simulating of hunting and fighting. Roles of dogs (1 dog and 2 bitches) was changing - not always Pack Leader was simulated to be winner - he was attacking, retreting and even bing down-dog - often. So - plaiyng changes common rules inside Pack... Plaing always included harsh manners. Also I found and tested that dogs get as "real" plaiyng when I was harsh with them. Only difficulties come when both of bitches begin "love season (do not knov English term)" at the same time - several examples bitches started endless, bloody, histerical and severe fighting (I newer seen among fighting males) - when I was to separate them by force and then to call doctor to help theirs wounds... Usual times both bitches were lovely and warm bings. But even during this atrosities I newer have seen that bitches enjure or try to injure other in the area of stomach (most dengerous) attaking zones of head, legs - so, there are some lows even during this principal fights. I explain this to show - what is REALLY harsh and painfull among dogs. Other really painfull for dogs is "beating" say with stone or wood - which can be done ONLY by human.