"Oh...and if you like, you can also look at the OFA stats website and you will see the worst hip dogs are the ones with the highest percentage of OFA records and show dogs" Well logically, if those are the only people inthe data base ...Of course that would be true. There's really nothing to question about hunting preformance that is documented. Hunting dogs either bay, catch, retrieve, point, track or they don't, really basic stuff. How well they do it gets into training and learned behavior in the field. The thing I should have questioned is the reason medical testing of breeding stock WAS NOT DONE. The "bredders" I delt with (the reason learned after the fact) was they were just too cheap to spend the money. "Show and other non-performance testing led to dogs being weak in the rear.".......I disagree the love of money did this.....people breding dogs for profit is what has ruined or modrn dogs. There's a reason our USA, Police & Millitary dogs come from Europe vs. American . The europeans Breed for work, Preformance test AND medical screen. IMO the total package. I've took the time top visit our website. I can't seem to fid any information on all this performance testing to keep refereing to. What exactly do yu do to test these dogs? No I'm far from closed minded on this topic. I truely believe everyone has something to offer that others can learn from. If you have anything to offer other than "History" I would like to hear it, I'm guess our friends here would be interested too. If you choose to cut & run. Viya con dios :D