[quote=boomslang]John, If I have to physically "beat" a dog to get it to distrust strangers, I may want look into another breed:D :D :D :D[/quote] Well said. Platz, Your request wasn't ignored. It is just a matter of some things can't be written to really understood, but need first hand knowledge with a "hands on" type of demo. Asking me to write out how to evaluate a dog's ability is like asking someone to write how to sing, dance, how to drive a race car, how to ice skate, or make love. No matter how much you read, you just can't get some things from words. Some things simply require experience and hands on to get a real feel and knowledge of what is going on...how to read it and evaluate it. Feel free to visit if you like.