[quote=bright]thanks! established in what sense? .... by the way i forgot to mention! gaddi mastifs are also registered as tibetan mastiffs and even shown by that name.. gaddi mastiffs defeat many tibetan mastiffs in dog shows which get bred for shows too! they have even won CC's when they were competing with dogs bred by saras tibetan mastiffs! saras tibetan mastiffs are often subjected to mockery in punjab.[/quote] Very neat. Sorry, I should have clarified. I was curious about the type in relation to the greater Tibetan population. These dogs seem to have a very specific type in comparison to other Tibetans. I also meant about their population status; about how many are there? Is there a risk of these dogs either being integrated and lost in the TM breed or just disappearing all together? Are you trying to get them separate recognition from the TM to protect them? From what I have seen, I really like these dogs. Very fascinating. :D