[quote1238634074=bright] i say that the short coated dog in your pic appears to have been labeled as sylvan.. so, how do you prove its authenticity? ! could you prove that these short coated dogs which are called sylvans are the progenitors of the long coated type which, to my eyes look more authentic? [/quote1238634074] i cannot prove anything and i don´t intend to say that long coated Sylvans are no pure Sylvans as there is both a mountain type (long coated) and the valley type, but i have seen dogs being labeled as long coated Sylvans and they had a curled tail while i have seen long coated with straight tail and the dogs of valley type i have seen had always a straight tail, if the tail was uncropped! in my opinion you cannot have both traits within the same breed, so it tells me that the long coated dog i have seen that had a curled tail must be unpure (for example Sylvan x Sarplaniac) ok, you had doubts about the short coated Sylvans and you told that the long coated dogs look more authentic in your opinion. why do they look more authentic in your opinion and what do you think about the following picture of short coated Sylvan *-) do the dogs look authentic in your opinion? like pure Sylvans (?)