[blockquote]whys it laughable nonsence? and why would a american bulldog enthusiest have more of a agenda with this issue than a neapolitian mastiff enthusiest? Honestly, people cant even agree on what made up the american pitbull terrier,if you go to each site theres a diffrent answer to the breeds in its ancestory and this is only going back 200 somewhat years. So how is one to say for sure with such scarce info and 1,000's of years seperating this info from todays enthusiest what the molossus was with absolute certinty?[/blockquote] I just told you why it can't be taken seriously. If you want to talk about the scarce information available dont you think it would be a good idea to read all of the available material and not just take things out of context from other authors books?? The guy admits to not having read over 10 scholars writings on the subject of molossers and I can name five more he failed to read either. It would be a good idea for a person who wants credibility to read all the material possible on the subject, consult other historians and then start forming a theory.