[quote1311576702=Platz] So were is all that famous defence drive. How many times has it been posted here about XXX lgd isn't go to stop at the sleeve, it wants to kill the helper. Both oif those dogs were completely, happy to get the sleeve and they both ignored the decoy when they got the sleeve. Maybe they were sport GSD dogs in LGD costums? LOL I Tosamamma's correct, they might be caps. [/quote1311576702] Yeah, I like dogs that drop the sleeve and go right back at the decoy after the slip! but even more the dogs who see a sleeve and decide to go for the leg because they have no interest in equipment just flesh! i know someone who post here with a CO that fits that description! Even has a nice picture of a decoy about to get his leg bit because he didn't listen lol.........