Actually, I also say the WEB is an admixture of whatever worked. For that matter, tell me a breed that isn't? As for bird dog, even John P Colby wrote of rummers of Spanish Pointers being used in the APBT. This may or may not be true. What is true, is I can speak to any old farmer from North Florida through Middle Georgia and parts of Alabama, and I get the same story of the same breed type performing the same funtion for as long as they ever knew. And I've never heard of a WEB pointing or setting. I have seen my AKC Great Dane do this. bulldog, I guess you didn't see the pics of my WEBs kissing a hog on the mouth? Is this not bonding? Infact, there's such a thing as too much bonding, as many has seen LGDs take baby goats and lambs from their mothers.