I think all of those dogs posted by soda in this thread are superb specimens. When I use the term "Neo of old" it is these type of dogs that I am referencing. Now this last dog that soda posted is ok, I like the head, but I do not really care for the rear structure of the dog. It does have a very nice head and the wrinkle is not overdone. That dog also has a little too much mass for my taste in a working dog. But regardless of what I don't specifically like about the dog, it is of the type that I would be interested in owning and I do find it suitable for breeding, based solely on phenotype.