It's not about LGDs vs. mongrels. It's LGD mongrels vs. hunting/fighting mongrels. They all are and were mongrels. That's why we have specific breeds to keep discussions on point. The Shar didn't get to be all that by being a friggin' LGD. The Shar was more like a bandog/herder in that you can actually work them, unlike typical LGDs. You know what I mean by "work" here and it's not sitting pretty next to a lamb until wolves swoop in, but is about actually being useful for a variety of tasks. Any dog that you can [u]send[/u] to go bite something or someone is not an LGD. That's the line. It can still be an LGD as well, but if that's all the Shar was, then it would've never been on any currency or in people's hearts, period. Same goes for bandogs and breeds "descended" from bandogs. As long as there's no work propelling the selection forward, we're just talking about mutts that work. That isn't special. But if what started as a bandog ends up the elite specific purpose-bred worker, with a set set of traits and ability to reproduce itself... All I'm saying is that equating bandog with "mongrel" tends to cloud the historical perspective and confuse 3 separate definitions of what is discussed. The word gets in the way. Just like the word "breed"... LGDs suck. The Shar rules. Bandogs suck. The Pit rules. And such.