[quote="Presadam"]OK LOOK people, Tim (TG) has not started any breed, despite what he put on his website. All that is is that he finally came up with a name- that others apparently have also- to call the obvious mixes that result in his yard. Tim has NEVER been on target in the presa community. His dogs came down from Arbaco (the infamous blue) and Bullrog (the bulldog looking pseudopresa) and his hard head wouldn't allow any other information we tried to teach him to sink in... I ran into Tim regularly in the late 90's at local rare breed shows. At first he would show, but then as his dogs got weirder and weirder, and got dumped..he would just show up to talk. About 11 years ago, myself and my friend (who started the DCCA) sat down to lunch with Tim and his brother, with a copy of El Presa Canario by Manuel Martin Bethencourt (legendary canarian breeder, and specialist judge) and tried to educate Tim about what the breed ACTUALLY was. Tim's response was "well, if that's a presa, then I don't want it.." at which time his brilliant :roll: brother came up with the idea of "making their OWN breed" and calling it the "Pounsberry presa" :roll: However, despite this, Tim kept trying in the presa world. He brought several dogs out of blue male Arbaco son SherKahn to one of the DCCA's shows under a canarian judge. One dog was granted paperwork out of 4 dogs he brought, and he has tried to use that for 10 yrs now to justify the rest of his dogs and breedings, while continuing to breed mutts, and call them presas. I guess he finally came up with something to call the obvious mixes, because just a year or so ago, that part on the website that now says "american Alaunt"used to read "exotic mastiffs". If you go to the "breeding and puppies" page you will see he still refers to them as such there. This is "Tiger Guard's Romethius" aka "Romeo" He was 6 yrs old last year. I knew this dog as a puppy, and went round and round with his owner about what he was. She was sold a "presa canario". Knowing Tim had both pseudopresas and DDB's, I told her he was a mix. She fought tooth and nail that I was wrong. She recently referred to him as a "non standard presa" :roll: when she gave him to a local shelter... But as I said, he was born 6 yrs ago, and sold as a presa...He's a beautiful DOG, but NOT a presa! The only good thing for Tim is that the mixes he was producing finally became en vogue and popular, so he could sell them to idiots who couldn't look any further then the big brawny dog in front of them, and didn't actually ask them to do anything. So I sure as heck wouldn't include him as a pioneer in any breed. He doesn't have that kind of concentration. He just knows how to put two intact dogs together and make puppies. :wink:[/quote]

Once again you have not failed me. Can we change your name to the"Professor"? lol good read!