[blockquote]you are the one who said who cares what Larry Koura or his dogs did, and that they had no impact on the ""Game AB"". [/blockquote] I said that? Painter and Margentina produced a few dogs because of what they started with. Their breeding habits were terrible. The Game AB would have been fine without them. Although Im a fan of the bully type, I personally like The Hines and Scott strains the best. The topic is wolf vs. dog. Does a dog have a fair chance against a wolf? Yes it does. Can a dog take down a wolf? Yes it can. There is no need to break down every single strain of AB to discuss this.