I think life is hard enough for them already and is that hard LGD life that makes them these awsome rustic and semi-wild dogs we love. With all the fights and problems these dogs face in their everyday life I don´t think there´s a need for fighting tests. The shepherd knows their dogs and will know who´s the best one for breeding. I agree with you Gary, we shouldn´t take these dogs and their temperament for granted but when I said that and LGD will show what he´s made of when needed I was thinking of a good working dog. I also agree with you Nanci that sometimes we have to look more into the results and I´don´t doubt that they achieve good results with those tests, I´m just questioning if they are really necessary, ´cause I believe that good breeding results can be achieved with a natural and simple evaluation of the dogs and their working abilities. Estrelas, Transmontanos, spanish Mastinos, Great Pyrenees etc are generaly great LGD´s and they don´t have to fight with each other to prove themselves. Anyway, I´m not against those tests as long as they are made JUST for breeding pruposes and not for entertainment and money, and as long as the dogs don´t get seriously injured or killed in those fights. :roll: