[quote="Presadam"]Pillowpants :wink: Unfortunately that's right these days. While it was originally intended in the presa breed to refer to the type of things they were trying to recover, it has evolved to "explain away" a lack of consistent type and breeding, or to snooker some people into thinking things that are totally wrong (such as blue dogs or mostly white dogs) are actually "extra special". This one is an example of a "rustic" color pattern. We tend to refer to this as a dirty fawn. It's not seen so much anymore as it didn't catch on in popularity so much, but it is a true color pattern existing widely about 10 years ago.[/quote] I am not much for Presa but I like this dog a lot.