[quote=GRBandog]Readeagle : http://bandogmastiffs.blogspot.com/ contains more truth than some can handle[/quote] I certainly appreciate the link, GRBandog, but I've been there before. Admittedly, I should probably give it a more thorough look. I'm just wondering where all those dogs in Semenic's book come from. Were they From Leiberman lines? Also, who's the Grimm family?