[quote=LeeRobinson]Think what you want...it doesn't change the truth. If you doubt that Martin brought the Neapolitan into the program and if you doubt that they felt as if they felt their best dogs were obtained from EM...don't ask me, just ask Mr. Lieberman. Someone brought his name into the discussion earlier and those that are familiar with the Swinford program will know Lieberman was one of Swinford's partners. Mr. Lieberman is still around. Go ask him if you want. It makes NO DIFFERENCE to me what you "think." I put the info out for those that want to know the truth about it. http://www.swinfordbandog.com[/quote] How about the "truth" rwgarding the use of Tosa in the Swinford program? Lieberman made zero mention of it. We still have zero documentation regarding it.