That is the response I would expect from you. I never spoke to Joe and never asked him for a dog...as personally I don't care for the heavy "Neapolitan type" Bandog. I do however know of several people that have dogs from him and every one of them had to be culled except yours...and that's a fact. Some had temperament issues, some cripple, and one even bit his owner in the head when the man was getting out of bed and was bending over to get his slippers. That isn't really what I look for in a family companion guardian or a K9 athlete. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not trying to attack the guy...for the guy has been very successful with his dogs in holiwood...and I give him props for that....but I have never asked for a dog from him. Personally I like loyal canine athletes. BTW, I again let me say I have heard that this guy you worship...the one who's name you try to ride off of says he doesn't even know you except that you got a couple of dogs from him. LOL. Is this true? Why is it said that Lucero doesn't even know you and never met you? 1. WHY IS IT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THE PEDIGREES ON YOUR FOUNDATION DOGS? Is there any reputable trainer that likes you or your dogs? 2. Do you mind if I post a few photos of the condition of your dogs after they came into your possession? I have some halarius (actually very sad) photos of your dogs. Of course you don't want the diplomas. That takes too much work for an overnight failure such as yourself. (Notice, I can't call you an overnight breeder because your not a ligitimate breeder...not even an overnight one.) The truth of it is you are so far behind me that I can't even see you in my rear view mirror and for that reason I shouldn't even waste my time entertaining your nonsense. I would say get a life, but the truth is you need to get a lot more than that...including a life, an education, some math skills, and some good dogs.